What is destroying the community is the community itself, but that’s something their ego won’t accept.
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Agreed glad someone explained this, as off and on again hard core raider all the way back to the Everquest days. Raider IO does not account for personal performance in any way. It simply shows a score and its very easy to suck and get carried through Mythic+ content. I run mostly guild grps, but on the off chance we need some random person its easy enough to carry them through as long as they are good at following. That doesn’t mean they know when to interrupt or when to move or do certain mechanics. As long as most of the grp knows especially the a good tank then you can have a stupid dps just mashing buttons and foaming at the mouth with a 1500+ IO score that knows jack about the dungeon.
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It shows that you’ve done X dungeon at a certain level at X ammount of times on time. So as far as I know you are capable of pulling your weight in my key. It reduces the chances Im inviting a giga-sh%$#r whos going to die to every mechanic in the dungeon. People also go by the number of runs in a bracket they’ve done btw
Luckily, RaideriO doesn’t check english comprehension and spelling, because many of you would be denied entry into a good school. 
That’s one solid oof right there.
Sylvaede … so you understand how to use and interpret raid/io so therefore you can;t ignore how this M+ change kills the game for those that will fall behind the raid/io curve because they don’t raid … and therefore by your own arguments … won;t get into groups … and therefore won;t gear up, won;t build their raider io … won;t get in groups and so on.
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth when you explain the value of io in choosing people based on io, yet dismissing the impact of the cumulative and therefore big gear disadvantage the M+ gear changes will have on … not everyone, but the players who have schedules too erratic or restricted for raiding but have been progressing mainly through M+ the last few expos.
SL is dead for them.
This is a PUG issue. People will always find a way to look for the best player to bring to their group, based on some criteria, whether it’s gearscore, .io level, etc… Fact of the matter is, there will always be something here determining your value to strangers.
There is no community anymore, not since the invention of cross-realm invitations. It’s just too big. You don’t have a server reputation like you once had, well over a decade ago, this is how it’s been for the majority of the game’s life.
If you want a community, join one. There are literal communities out there for you. Whether it’s a guild, a wow community (that’s legitimately a thing), or a discord. Maybe even a combination of all three…
But you can’t expect random people to pick you over someone else, simply because you exist and you think you’re a valuable asset. That’s entitlement and complaining about it won’t get you anywhere.
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it’s not “dead” for anyone. its 3 ilvl difference 1 ilvl isn’t going to do anything buddy the difference between that will depend on your IO vs the other guys IO. You’re literally making stuff up
Blizzard only encourages this by letting players add layers to the system like this. As soon as they saw the community doing this? They should have been dealt with it.
yes because now they believe they are above the normal systems set in place by blizzard and deserve more exclusive priority matching. its dumb. join a guild.
Well there is the second problem which is that I haven’t been playing for a majority of the expansion. I think 466 is pretty decent considering I just resubbed a few weeks ago. But yeah that means I’m going to be much further behind.
Also this the OP. Faction change finally went through.
Lol Sylvaede, your literally contradicting yourself. Raider/io is great because it lets you tell players apart and choose he best one. Having lower scores doesn’t matter for casuals, you’ll get into groups fine. Both can’t simultaneously be true and since we all know yoru first statement to be true - people take the best player available for PuGs … that means your second statement has to be false … and that;s the point. and the real problem is that every week is gets harder and harder to get into groups as you fall further and further behind. Why would anyone play SL as a casual to spend hours gettign rejected from groups each week? the asnwer is that they won’t.
Just want to say usually you try to Pug people good enough to do said content, Raider IO can help with that.
If the people are good people will try to friend you knowing you are good and then group up more and more. Most of my bnet friends started out doing content together at a similar ilvl. Over the years we do different difficulties now (different skill caps), but we are still friends because when we met it was as equals in a competitive way and now we are friends regardless of that.
Best advice I would give that if you really are doing amazingly try to add people after runs who did well or they will add you. Expand upon that and you will get to people who can do content you want to try to do.
Also, I dislike Raider IO. Just because I hate it though doesn’t mean it can’t be used to form a better group (even if it gives only how on time the key was).
You say that but the number is not randomly generated. It is indicative of player experience and because of that it does infact correlate to player skill. Because it is a mechanism only meant to track runs, it can be fooled by boosting. However anyone with a brain can spot outliers that occur from people that do not boost several times.
What do you think raiderio does? It literally shows you what people have done.
You should take a step back and see that you are literally describing the addon you are trying to hate. The only controversial part you are arguing against is the score. Which doesn’t really matter since its just a sum of distributed points to completed keys.
Thank you for saying this vague statement instead of actually finding weaknesses in that argument because you were unable to.
Yeah how dare those people want to play with others who share their goals and commitment to a hobby instead of shlubs who think they deserve to get into other people’s groups just by existing!
Another one ? Maybe if you don’t like Pugging so much, join guild or make friends, those people don’t judge you what score you are showing … Raider io is a must have for Pugging, especially if you want to time keys … If people would bring the class and not player, either the game should be dumb down to the point that even my cat could play it or magically every player have become decent player … And decent player has such a high gap, for me a decent player is 12/12M raider with around 2.5k-3k+ io, for some that’s god like, for some its bad … Believe me, if I picked player base on class/spec and not from metrics of their performance history, I wouldn’t be doing +18 - +20 keys and timing those in Pugs. And there is a reason why Mythic raiding guilds request logs, to measure how skilled you are.
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I’ve made the mistake of inviting high ilvl people into even something as low as 8-9 mythic+
95% of the time, it’s very apparent the gear is from welfare
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It isn’t bad and you are right it should be more than enough.
I’m just telling you the reality of the situation.
If I’m pugging my key I will be aiming for success and there is an overabundance of decked out players this late into the xpac that just want their weekly.
So why settle for “adequately” geared, when I can pull in “overpowered” (ilvl+corruptions) by just waiting an extra 60 seconds in queue.
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Why? Some people never do above a 10. Some people never do above a 12. Some people never do above a 15. People make alts. With your logic this late in 8.3 there should be no groups under a 10 yet there are still a lot. So you are not handicapped for starting later in the patch to such a degree that it is impassable to push keys.
They wouldn’t. You would have to be in last expansion greens to get declined from a mythic 0. And you’d have to be brain damaged to apply to groups for hours without creating your own.
But they can.
Sometimes the lower score person is the highest person to apply. Not to mention people don’t pick solely on score. Especially at lower level dungeons I will pick the person who has done the dungeon on the highest key. Not their overall score. Overall score matters more in the above +15 range than below it.
It is pretty decent. And you aren’t far behind, like the other guy said you are just at a point where everyone is overgeared for the content they are doing.
So the best way for you to get keys done is just push your own. You are capable of doing a +15, I definitely did some when I was around your ilvl, you just need to push your own key to prove it. People don’t like inviting you below a hallmark for instance if you haven’t timed a 12 yet it will be hard to get into one.
TLDR; push a key and you can probably get a 15 done this week. Hell if you respond to this with your battletag I’ll carry you through a 15 this week.
Also you mentioned your dps at the top of the post and your talents/essences are wrong. So you could do a decent amount more dps. Its really only 1 talent that is wrong and your major essence.
Your stat allocation is really good though.