There are people who are going to grind against potentially four other people for a Hand of Justice, I think I can see some people willing to shell out a lot of gold for this set.
What if they want server first D2 set?
I might be misinterpreting but I think his view is that the relative power of dungeon content should equal to the power of raid content, the justification being there should be some form of correlation to the power of gear and the difficulty/cost of obtaining the reward.
I have seen this argument before and its how current reward systems in wow are handled but for better or worse it was not a part of vanilla. I donât agree with it but I can certainly see the case for an argument to be made for it, especially if you are consuming all content in wow (in such a case it would feel askew because you would already be in t2 before it was released, I had such an experience the first time around #epeen).
I donât think insulting or presenting OP as a crying baby helps discourse.
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Beaten this horse to death yet it looks like I have to take another swing.
-D2 gear is terrible for EVERYONE. itemisation is terrible. For EVERYONE
-There is only a few pieces in the entire set worth wearing,once fully upgraded.Pieces like the warrior boots for example.
-Getting pre-raid BiS is far superior,easier and cheaper while being less time consuming.
-The set bonuses are purely hit and miss, some are ok, some are trash, very few are good.
In short anyone waiting on BWL would have it just to wear in town with the other 50 billion people wearing it as their townset.
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Thatâs potentially false. It might change BiS lists but lets be fair here, So what if 1 piece is good? Itâs one piece.
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Then they would prepare the mats before hand if the knew it was going to be coming to get it.
Are you aware that it is not just gathering mats? Raid geared players will have a huge advantage running the quests themselves. You know how raiders donât want D2 stuff to make MC/BWL easier? I do not want MC/BWL gear to make D2 easier.
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They will have the same opportunity as everyone else.
Whether or not they avail themselves of that opportunity or choose not to put themselves in the best position possible is up to them.
True, the D2 4 set bonus is miles better than the bloodfang 8 set.However, The tier 2 has more stats, resistances and importantly more hit. When you need atleast 8% and none of that can come from talents you need every scrap, especially since you canât cap your white swings till 24%.
The hybrid sets are actually the worst, You lose bucketloads of int/spirit or str/agi while losing a combination of AP/SP. ZG sets are tailormade to doing a task and while they might look weaker on paper once again the lost itemisation is massive.
You need to look at the whole set not the individual pieces which I note you didnât bother to link the fact that half the set is blue and substantially weaker than their tier 2 counterparts.
Asto getting the matts together early into an expansion, good luck trying to get your friends arcanite CDâs for a quest when theyâre going to be wanting nightfalls/arcanite reapers crafted for raids. The flaskâs alone early on will cost the earth.
Actual stat comparison.
D2=184 agi, 54 str, 89 stam,2% hit 1% crit.
T2= 203 agi, 86 str, 141 stam, 3% hit 4% crit. has 30 FR,30 shadow rez and some nature and arcane aswell.
Bloodfangs 2 piece set bonus should be a massive ST increase for alliance players due to only needing 9% hit to cap their poison procs which the horde canât take as much advantage of due to windfury buff tying up their MH.
D2 doesnât come within spitting distance of bloodfang in pve or pvp.
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Thatâs a good point. I believe the last 2 or 3 pieces require BRS(upper and lower), so if you got players in tier 2 helping it will make it significantly easier.
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To raid u need to commit 4hrs a week 1 or 2 days a week. If u canât handle a casual raid schedule you are no where near obtaining tier. 5 anytime before AQ.
D2 was better than T1 for quite a bit. The gear that dropped from MC that people went after was the off pieces like the leather legs, plate gloves, etc. I am not talking about the entire D2 set, there was some pieces that where not that great. The gear was hybrid designed if you look at it.
You arnât wrong, but people walking into BWL with full D2 will minimize some content.
It wonât matter because people wonât be walking in there in D2. I canât give precise numbers for it but Iâll bet dollars to donuts you could get a much better set of gear without going through the irritance of the D2 chain.
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People will be rocking parts of the set, rogue especially. I know i would do everything in my power to. Warriors will be rocking part of it as well. If you donât get a few off items from MC that we both know are rare as hell, the D2 is your best option and its a easy option as well. We can sit here and talk about bis gear from rag and other crap through out the instance but i really donât care.
I think thereâs an argument for releasing D2 later that has nothing to do with the relative strength or weakness of the D2 items.
The D2 quest chain is ânewâ non-raid content. At classic launch people will have tons to do and farm. By a year or so in, things will probably dry up a bit for most people. Releasing D2 at that point would give completionists and alts and their friends something to do. Run around the world, gather some items, and go back to dungeons. And thatâs another thing - releasing it later would increase overall dungeon running/PUGâing mid-Classic - especially UBRS, with Valthalak dropping some nice new items.
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also, by acquiring the dungeon set you are working towards your D2 setâŚ
Take the rogue set as an example.
The only pieces worth equipping are the boots (pure stats) and the chest (for the 2% hit) The boots are the easy part to do just requiring a couple of hundred gold (upto at most 1k) and the baron run.
The chest on the other hand is the nuisance part. First you have to get the damn thing and you have to have the full set. Thatâs alot of UBRS and Scholo runs unless you get lucky.
Then you have to farm the twighlight cultists which is yet more rng and needing a raid group (10) and large brilliant shards for every attempt.
The other parts are pretty much irrelevant as we donât have an accurate gauge on how difficult the encounters will actually be now vs back the day.
To put it into perspective, It took my friend 64 baron kills to get the pants, then 15 summons to get the right Duke for the quest item. I donât think weâre going to see anyone jumping through this many hoops just for something theyâre going to replace a week or two into BWL.
And then theres the fact that alot of gear in MC is just not upto scratch and people are better off wearing their pre-raid BiS into BWL anywaysâŚ
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64 Baron kills is a bit extreme. Did he see a mount along the way?
pvp ⌠And steadily try to better your gear bit by bit over a long period of time so you can get better at pvp.