That was done for him to catch and you ruined it.
Thats the game they chose to play. That is exactly how the game has worked for the last 5+ years. In MoP LFR has utility. But right now it doesnt serve any other purpose but to be a 3rd catch up mechanic for the last phase of the game.
There is PUG groups people can join you know the exact thing players have been doing for the last 5 years.
The extended duration of Phase 1 by Blizzard, lasting over six months, along with the addition of SoD, retail, and the 20-year anniversary server, has not been due to the difficulty of the content but rather all the options available to players.
let us not forget, the developersâ neglect of Cataclysm, which continues to deteriorate without intervention, contributes to the issues.
Adding LFR will not fix the mess that blizzard created.
Youâre on the right track, but not quite there.
It is true the Forums attract a certain type of player. And yes, itâs largely to complain. But itâs always been more hardcore-minded players. People who take the game more seriously. For the most partâŠobviously not all. But the mass casuals certainly donât come here. And the mass casuals are the type of players who would favor LFR.
Letâs compare this to RDF. I was part of a LOT of those threads, and there was actual contention. Sure, the pro-rdf still greatly surpassed the anti-rdf side, but there was actual debate. There was a moderate chunk of players who were against the system. That doesnât exist with LFR. Itâs literally two people. Thatâs it. And their arguments are terrible. Youâve got a toxic, elitist troll who canât stand the notion that regular players get to experience raids. The other one at least tries to make an argument. But thereâs far worse things than LFR. Mythic Dungeons being shoved into Classic was the worst idea ever. Just led to incredibly toxicity. But it is what it is. Blizz should at least give casual players something, and that something is LFR.
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So the evidence you have that LFR would be popular is⊠that the devs kept it in the game?
Lmao.
Whatever you guys want to tell yourselves.
Your.
You were saying?
So, basically everything you write is just trolling, and should be dismissed as such always. Got it.
Then take the gear away. I keep seeing this argument, but not a single one for taking the gear out of LFR if THIS is the argument to keep LFR.
You people are relentlessly lazy and entitled. You want your free (ACTUALLY free) gear, and use the âexperienceâ as your argument to keep LFR, itâs sickening.
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100% him and blink just violate ToS non stop. posting off topic posts,trolling, They have even gone so far as to post links to websites with screenshots of me in a Discord chat. These are actions that many would consider a serious cry for attention or help.
So, should they take honor / valor out of random BGs? I can definitively say that I put much less effort into BGs than I do LFR. Last expansion I practically AFKâd my way to a full set of gear just sitting in a turret in Wintergrasp.
How about GDKP, or carry runs? Guild runs where they are gearing up a new player? Those activities require literally no effort from the player, so we better ban / remove any loot from those situations.
What if I want to experience the story by doing quests? Since my main reason for doing those is to experience the story, they should just remove all gold and gear rewards.
Just to round it out, why donât we remove all drops from dungeons. I mean, itâs possible that someone just wants to experience that content, so yeah⊠better remove that loot too.
The reason why no one is down with the idea of removing loot from LFR is that it is asinine. LFR players arenât expecting heroic raid level gear, nor should they get it from just doing LFR.
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wow im haveing flash back when lfr start and it was use to farm trinkets and set items you need ds lfr was bad you ignor everything and just dps stuff if they do bring it back to ds it will be fine just like befor as long as like 5 people know what to do boss will die lfr is just a catch up for alts or people that dont have friends just relax and injoy life
If people are getting this riled up over LFR then people should also be talking about personal loot. People are saying that itâs no effort loot or that it damaged the game by making it a less social experience but the same could be said about personal loot. No thought goes into who gets what and with it being entirely random, itâs essentially the next step of LFR.
The fact that Blizzard didnât add any modifiers into Inferno dungeons might actually indicate that theyâre going to add LFR and just no longer add heroic+ dungeons (would also be less work for them).
Firelands Ilvl VS Dragonsoul Ilvl
Firelands Normal gear is Ilvl 378
Firelands Heroic gear is Ilvl 391
Dragonsoul LFR gear is Ilvl 384
Dragonsoul Normal gear is Ilvl 397
Dragonsoul Heroic gear is Ilvl 410
Thereâs also the fact that thereâs appearences that are unique to LFR and not including them would be a disapointing loss but if they were added to a vendor Iâd be fine with no LFR. As a whole though I think that LFR is somewhat alright, it has a lower Ilvl than heroic of the previous tier (as it should) and lets those who donât want to stick to a schedule are able to raid with the characters that would otherwise be idle.
Having multiple max level characters and be behind on them just because of the need to be in a guild/build rapport with PuG groups just so that you can secure a slot in the random times youâd want to raid as opposed to a âqueue when you wantâ style of raiding is 100% more appealing to those who struggle to find the time to play on a schedule.
If I were to choose whether or not to add or remove LFR Iâd probably lean to add purely for the appearences but again, if they were added to a vendor then I donât see myself wanting LFR that much.
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not according to the roadmap on the road map there is nothing listed about LFR. Road map says:
Dragon Soul raid
Caverns of time Dungeons
Elemental Rune Dungeons
Nothing about LFR
Your ilvls are off
Firelands Normal is 378-384
Firelands Heroic is 391 - 397
Dragon Soul LFR is 384 - 391
Dragon soul Normal is 397 - 403
Dragon Soul Heroic is 410 - 416
Lol what do you mean LFR dragon soul drop gear off the last 2 bosses that are the same ilvl as heroic Firelands See above.
You are also forgetting to mention the CoT dungeons that drop gear 378 ilvl loot as well.
LFR Serves no purpose until MoP where it can be utilized by alts to keep current or catch on the Legendary back quest line.
And? What about the roadmap, just because it doesnât mention it doesnât mean that it canât be added.
Okay so itâs equal to the previous tier when doing the last boss (Spine and madness are the same boss) Iâm honestly fine with that, the last boss always drops items with higher Ilvl and has done so since MC. As long as it doesnât go over than whatâs available in the previous raid tier itâs completely fine in my book.
See above.
No Iâm not forgetting, itâs just not worth mentioning, weâre at the point of the game where the higher number wins. LFR has a higher Ilvl than the CoT dungeons, the gear that those three dungeons give isnât the point of this thread and the fact that you want it to be one is laughable.
The CoT dungeons can only supplement gear, you canât get geared through doing them, LFR Dragon Soul however can replace every gear slot with something worth using (especially so if youâre needing CoT gear). The purpose of LFR has been stated ad nauseam but you continue to ignore it so Iâm just going to quote myself from aboveâŠ
One more thing, are you fine with it being added into MoP? If so why?
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they are 2 separate encounters with 2 separate loot tables.
Yes and Heroic+ dungeons offering Heroic Firelands loot offers higher ilvl loot then LFR
I answered that question before you even asked it see this
You clearly donât get my point so Iâll say it again⊠Both encounters are with Deathwing, so Iâm saying that theyâre the same boss and because theyâre the same boss it would make sense that the gear is like that.
Okay⊠And how many pieces of loot will be heroic? The only reason why we got heroic gear right now is because Sinestra is a heroic only boss, something thatâs not in Firelands. You can kill Ragnaros on normal so they might not even add heroic items into the next Inferno vendor if they do add it.
Even if they did add heroic gear to the vendor LFR would on average still have a higher all-round Ilvl than the vendor with heroic Firelands gear.
You also completely missed my point, I was refering to LFR Dragon Soul and the ToC dungeons gear, something I thought was clearly pointed out and looking back at my post itâs the very next sentence so please, donât twist my words and pair it with something Iâm not compairing it to.
Then why so much pushback, are you just arguing to argue? If itâs going to be added anyway and youâre fine with it being in MoP I donât understand why youâre so adamant on not having LFR come when it was meant to.
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Although they may appear as the same NPC, they represent two distinct encounters, each with unique fights, mechanics, and loot tables. Therefore, they are not considered a single boss or entity within the raid; instead, they are counted as two separate entities.
I donât have an answer for this, but if Blizzard were to implement the same system they used in WoTLK with Ulduar and TOGC, where loot could be purchased from a vendor, I would assume that all the vendor loot would be of heroic quality. This is because the majority of players were dissatisfied with the inability to obtain heroic weapons from the vendor.
No it wouldnât because LFR drops 384 - 391 where the heroic Firelands is 391-397 basic common math.
because it is not needed in the LAST phase of Cata. If they added LFR it would be a 3rd catch up mechanic for the final phase. LFR is not needed in cata, It is however needed in MoP because of the legendary back questline.
Perfect to be added to the heroic+ vendor or valor vendor.
But a change I would love is for getting one appearance to also unlock all lower difficulty appearances.
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There are lots of things that arenât needed in the game, but they are nice to have for those who want to utilize them.
For example:
- BG queues that donât require you be at the location to queue. You can walk your happy butt over to those locations to queue.
- LFD queues. Again, you can march your happy butt over there and spam LFG chat for groups
- LFG interface for group activities. We have an LFG chat⊠why not force people to use it?
- Guilds. We can create chat channels and have friends lists, why do we need guilds?
- Mounts. We have the ability to run anywhere / use flight paths.
- Auction house. We can trade directly with players and we have a trade channel.
- Character customization. Having a tauren with big horns doesnât make them do more damage than one with little horns.
The list can go on and on. LFR isnât necessary, but it is nice to have for people who want to use it. You do not have to use it if you donât want to. LFR was added at the end of cata, and there is no legit reason for them not to add it in cata classic at the same time.
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Again youâre not understanding so Iâll spell it out even further. Yes, theyâre two seperate encounters and two seperate entities. However, both of them are Deathwing.
Spine of Deathwing
Madness of Deathwing
See how both encounters have Deathwing in the name? Thatâs why Iâm saying theyâre the same and why those two encounters have superior loot than the other encounters in Dragon Soul. Again, itâs two encounters and two entities but the same boss called Deathwing whoâs the big bad of not only the raid tier but the expansion
The only items that are of superior quality from Ulduar and TotGC are 1-2 items from the hardmodes from each boss that has a hardmode (including Yogg 0 lights and Algalon). TotGC didnât have any heroic items put into a vendor every single item added was from normal 25 man.
Ulduar 10 man loot though had all hardmode loot added to the Sidereal Essence vendor but is outclassed by 25 man loot.
If they added all of the heroic loot then yeah youâd be right but I highly doubt that theyâd add all of the heroic gear onto the vendor.
The Fissure Stone Fragment Vendor sells...
| BoT | Vendor | total | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Halfus | 3 | 12 | ||
| Twin Drag | 1 | 12 | ||
| Council | 0 | 12 | ||
| Choâgal | 2 | 13 | ||
| Sinestra | 13 | 13 | ||
| 19/62 of the items from BoT are on the vendor and are heroic Ilvl | ||||
| BWD | Vendor | total | ||
| Defense Sys | 1 | 12 | ||
| Magmaw | 2 | 12 | ||
| Atra | 2 | 12 | ||
| Chimeron | 4 | 12 | ||
| Maloriak | 0 | 12 | ||
| Nef | 9 | 13 | ||
| 18/73 of the items from BWD are on the vendor and are heroic Ilvl | ||||
| TotFW | Vendor | total | ||
| Council | 11 | 11 | ||
| AlâAkir | 17 | 17 | ||
| 28/28 of the items from TotFW are on the vendor and are heroic Ilvl |
65 out of the 163 available heroic items from the P1 raids are on the Fissure Stone Fragment vendor so roughly 40% of the heroic items are on the vendor and just so youâre aware, none of those items are heroic weapons and any weapons that are on the vendor are of normal quality.
You see thatâs why I said on average because youâre looking through a pure heroic lens, something that Blizzard wonât do (as proven above) so the real range is Firelands 378 - 397 compared to Dragon Souls 384 - 390. Actually looking at it now it might actually be pretty close to the same Ilvl (again this is on average).
LFR is needed specifically for the legendary cloak? Does it need to be done in LFR and not in Normal/Heroic? Pretty sure thatâs not the main use of LFR.
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no need to i understnad what you are trying to say but you are wrong. might be the same boss but its 2 different encounters and 2 different boss fights.
regaurdless the devs already said in an interview they had no plans to add LFR to cata. They would bring it back for MoP tho.
You probably would never have caught that if Feywaif didnât ruin it for me. Unfortunately now Iâll never know.