If you believe it’s going to become a moot point because lfr raids at higher difficulties won’t be completed than why do you care if it’s added? I was capable of finding guilds to raid with such that I never used lfr. It didn’t bother me that lfr existed since I was easily able to avoid it. Why can’t you simply do the same with auto grouping systems you don’t want to use?
No you’re just dumb. I’ve already explained my stance and your only response is just some deflection comment that doesn’t actually attack anything I said. You provided nothing with this.
Yeah their requirement is that you’re breathing and show up to raid sometimes.
If you can’t meet that first requirement then you got bigger issues.
If you can’t meet that second requirement then pug. There are plenty going on all the time. you refuse to even try to make an attempt, which I expect nothing less from someone who afks in wsg with a trash half and half build with half and half gear crying about cheaters in arena while hardstuck at 1650.
Because to me it is one of the purest definitions of wasted time and effort. I don’t care if something is added to the game that I don’t care about but can logically see having a purpose for those who do.
LFR for higher difficulties is not that. It serves no purpose. Story is covered by the LFR we have. Higher difficulties come with higher requirements. A randomly put together group with no organization or leadership will not be able to do that content. LFR itself is the lowest difficultly you can get for a raid. How would a heroic, not even mythic, LFR work? If it drops heroic gear then that’s absurd, because you couldn’t logically put in a determination buff like LFR itself has or change the mechanics, as it’s no longer that difficulty it is trying to mimic.
The entire notion is just stupid. It’s a fairy tale idea with no actual grounding in logic other than “what’s the problem if it exists?” Which the answer is resources. LFR itself is maintained and updated alongside the raid, now we’re going to have LFR for higher difficulties as well as the non LFR versions? One of the core issues of retail wow right now is an overwhelming amount of things players can do, and this doesn’t help that at all. The amount of boomers in my era guild complaining about that very thing is a real complaint.
It is just a waste of time and effort. At some point players will need to accept that this game is still an mmo and you have to talk to people. If you physically can not even type to someone in wow then that sucks doesn’t it. Guess you’re not doing mythic or heroic raids, even with an LFR in place for those difficulties as you’ll just spend all day staring at a boss and wiping while you rotate leavers with fresh faces who’ll leave in a few wipes anyways.
At least pet battles adds something to the game, this is just the most asinine thing I could ever envision being put into wow.
If you’re taking position against something I want, that’s you saying, NO, from an authoritative stance.
So you recognize that what I said was true, got it. 
But you want to take the time to post and present your position on the matter, which you’re perfectly fine to do so; and,
I believe you, Gaspathy, when you say…
But you still seem to continue to care to tell us that.
We already knew that randomly grouped teams aren’t going always perform as well as an organized team from using these systems elsewhere.
It’s that we don’t care if we can’t or not.
Plus… I’m wagering that once randoms learn the fights, we will…
And that’s what worries you more than anything which is why you feel the need to tell us something we already knew.
You, every one of us, wasted time and effort any moment you ever decided to log into the game.
Much like an AV of old… Sounds like fun.
Look who it is deciding that for us. 
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Of course, I’d go along with all your guild culture if the game was free to play all around…
At that point, beggars can’t be choosers.
Since I pay a sub, I’m not a beggar; I’m a chooser.
/shrug It’s pretty simple you’ve never done LFR and you don’t pug raids so you have exactly no relevant experience to contribute to either format of grouping.
And now it makes a lot more sense why you have zero comprehension of why normal mode would be a disaster in a queue system.
I know exactly why harder raid modes wouldn’t work in an automated queue system, for many of the same reasons mythic 5 mans don’t have a auto queue system. But it has nothing to do with people who have trouble finding a group being less able to perform the run. Frankly I doubt many people are stupid enough to believe the line you’re pushing.
And yet you haven’t done any of it(we can only assume you are too lazy to whisper I’ll go) so you really don’t have a valid opinion.
While you’re too lazy to read what people post. I clearly stated I was in a guild and did raids with my guild. Why would I use lfr or pug when I’ve always been in a guild and ran guild raids.
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it’ll be in come dragon soul
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Its very likely since cata seems to get less focus than say wrath did.
Its clearly the copy and paste expac. I predict this will be copy pasta’d in too. It be work otherwise.
As seen in WG.
most would not even complain about #somechange for WG vehicles actually scaled to 85.
There’d be no but…its classic. these things dying from you just looking at them is a bad joke. Perhaps even a slap in the face. lol.
It not take 400 devs hours to fix. Its literally copy the stats of IOC or SOTA demo’s or cata’s. They ARE scaled to 85.
Nope. We got a broke WG because…it was like this the first time.
Omg Wafectus, you’re such an elite toxic gamer.
If you’re taking a position against something I don’t want, that’s you saying, YES, from an authoritative stance.
You’re such a moron your own one liners can be flipped against you. Maybe come up with an actual argument over this dribble.
Breathing and showing up is a requirement?
Bro just stop playing then. If SHOWING UP is too hard, then don’t raid.
You can always pug and find other greys like you to go suffer with. You’re just lazy and choose not to.
You actively put the full quote then made an argument where you cut the quote in half. This is the full quote. 
Following that quote, I do care about this topic, because LFR for higher difficulties serves ZERO PURPOSE.
If this was pet battles, or solo que arena, or delves, or whatever, I don’t care about things added to the game that I don’t care about but can see having a purpose for those who do.
If you want story, go LFR.
If you want higher difficulties, then manually form. There is ZERO PURPOSE for a system that actively griefs its own players by allowing the most ignorant of wow players to just freely, without organization or leadership, go to content via a random queue, that requires organization and leadership. The end result would be the most miniscule of clear rates, coupled with what, good players not joining because the rewards suck, or the further breakdown into a lobby based game by forcing good players into it with rewards on par with the manually formed difficulty. Nothing about this makes sense and the only arguments you can muster is “you’re authoritative >:(”
Now who’s gaslighting. I’ve told you time and time again that I want people to get better at wow. It is rude to be bad at wow. You’re a selfish ignorant player who actively griefs others. I’d love for you to actually be good.
Your off meta non viable strats coupled with 19 others doing the same will not clear heroic or mythic content. I’d LOVE to see you actively recognize that you’re your own worst opp in regards to wow, and actively strive to get better.
This notion you have that “all the sweats just want to see us suffer” is you gaslighting yourself.
No, do not speak for me. I had fun. I stopped playing when I stopped having fun. I’m back in wow for a bit and having fun again.
You’re trying really hard to connect these two but you at a fundamental level do not understand what I’m even saying, and now you’re throwing this cope at me because of it. Pretty sad.
No, it isn’t like old AV. It sounds like a worse version of the current LFR system.
Yes, because you need to communicate. There will eventually be a responsibility that you’ll need to communicate. If typing a single sentence debilitates you, then you’re not going to be able to provide comms when you need to. I’ve tried to get people with social anxiety to raid before, and it’s a struggle for them everytime they needed to do more than just sit in silence.
I’m not saying raiding heroic and mythic isn’t for them at the end of the day, but they have their own issues to work through before they can actually become a fully contributing member of the raid. Get through those issues and many of these players have the skills needed to do these difficulties, atleast heroic.
But if you currently are so riddled with anxiety that even asking for an invite to a raid is stopping you, then no, you’re just outright not going to be able to do higher content.
Bro create actual points over just this one line nonsense, or is your response just going to be “haha didn’t read” for the 30th time, like the drooling troglodyte you are.
I’m sorry for not replying to this for a couple days
IN DF I never seen it get be on a count of five
In a normal difficulty Aberrus we had at I think at least 10 maybe 11 wipes
Me and the three other players that were raiding that night had to reform the group six or seven times
Really fun and also somewhat annoying at the same time
I’ll play however I want. Despite you.
Sure.
Stay uninvited to raids then and keep queueing randoms bgs and RDF as your end game while whining about it.
Edit: what a weird mindset. “I’m actively choosing to make my wow experience worse to spite someone on the wow forums.” You may need to go talk to a professional.
I mean blizzard is denying you access to loot by putting them behind bosses, why not put out another 500 word post about how blizzard is just gatekeeping the loot and it should just show up in your mailbox when the new patch drops
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You just arent familiar with Wafectus. He isnt capable of anything except raging out and having weird opinions.
For example in wotlk he refused to spec into any capstone talent. Just split his spec evenly among everything. Enchanted his gear with armor, and intellect, and stamina. He is an enhancement shaman.
He fundamentally breaks his character and refuses to listen to people trying to help him. Then thats not even getting started on his rants about pvp and how others are bad and how he’d rather play with bots and how unfair it is that he cant gain rating in arena.
Dude is absolutely cooked. Everything Apathy said is accurate and applies to Wafectus. You just dont have the context of this guy, hes a lolcow of the forum.
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Me? For one thing…
I don’t feel the need to go around spitting at others because they bought a mount on the cash shop. That’s your raid culture right there in a nutshell…
That makes no sense at all…
They just need to put raid gear on the cash shop for everyone to benefit from; company and customers alike.
Oh look the liar that said that Cata had no gear rated for arena wants to comment.
That… has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
It’s funny that your only responses is dribble that has addressed literally nothing from my posts in response to you.
You and I had a back an forth in the Era forums about the emote, he’s attempting to “Gotcha” or shade your character. It didn’t work out, he is still the foolish one.
Why should I have to take it from my mailbox and equip it? Blizzard can certainly directly equip the loot and save me the trouble!
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