Quel'thalas belongs to the Alliance

I can’t argue with ya there. All of that is true.

Exactly this! Alliance will always be grateful for all the High Elves that sided with us for the many conflicts over the years and we will always welcome them with open arms. That cannot be said for the rest of Blood Elves that willingly sided with the Horde and gleefully started murdering our people.

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Eh, “gleefully started murdering people” or “did this, so I can get a mount,” are two vastly different motivations. It’s not like any Horde had a choice not to participate. It was our only storyline, Linear storytelling at it’s worst.

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He might be referring to the Blood Elf forces in pre-patch during War of Thorns. I distinctly remember being smacked upside the head by belf mobs multiple times.

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I’m not talking about the WoT. I’ve said multiple times that I really feel bad for Horde Players having to perticipate in the story. I was more refering to Blood Elves as a racial group who sided with the Horde and stayed there even after having to engage in wars against the Alliance who were their former allies.

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This is a bit of a silly thing to hold against them when the Alliance, and I quote, “wasn’t interested in fighting for Quel’Thalas” while the Horde’s support prevented them from getting slaughtered by the Scourge and Amani.

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I think the Amani trolls would disagree and say it belongs to them!

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i mean yeah but a ton of northern eastern kingdoms belongs to them. lordaeron, gilneas, etc.

Or they are suppose to “balance” each other out and the only true path is to managed to mix them together. I keep repeating myself but the “thousand year” audio drama made it quite clear that Alleria was only able to learn the “truth” by mixing both forces.

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Well we did burn down that stupid tree the Night Elves lived in. Got Tyrande’s panties all in a bunch. And get this, she “punishes” Sylvanas by throwing her back into the Maw.

So now Syl has her forges back, the Manswarn back, her condo in Torghast, it was no different than throwing Brer Rabbit back into the briar patch.

Tyrande didn’t throw her. Sylvanas dived into it herself.

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Well that was the “punishment” she dealt out. It’s as if Brer Rabbit volunteered to jump into the Briar patch.

Actually Quel’Thalas belongs to the Horde.

That’s canon.

And to put it simply - It’s very much like Theodas stated:

So … Yeahnah Quel’Thalas is remaining with its people - Whom the majority are alligned with the Horde. :man_shrugging:

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Quel’Thalas belongs to the Blood Elves, the group of elves that stayed, fought, bled, and died for it.

My problem is… the OP is almost right in a very twisted way because of the DUMBEST lore ever. Ranger-General is a hereditary position, passed down through the Windrunner line. In other words… Alleria and Vereesa are quite literally the highest ranking nobles left in the kingdom of Quel’Thalas.

Now, this wouldn’t be a problem, if Lor’themar would just declare himself King, already. Instead he keeps mewling about Anasterian being the, ‘Last King,’ or something to that effect.

Fine, reorganize Quel’Thalas into a different kind of government. Abolish the monarchy and the system of hereditary prominence. It already runs largely as a meritocracy anyways, just change it from a monarchy!

Regardless, Quel’Thalas belongs to the Blood Elves, and no one and nothing else, full stop. It doesn’t belong to the Alliance, it doesn’t even belong to the Horde; it belongs to the Blood Elves, and they decide who they’ll ally with, and that is the Horde.

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Stormwind belongs to the forsaken. They paid for it to be rebuilt.

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One even if what you said was the case its moot because the current government of Quel’thalas recognizes Halduron as its Ranger General.

Two a minor point but even hereditary military commands could parallels irl could be randomly given to an unexpected new person if someone above them their lord or king decided to, despite them being the assumed person to take the job.

Three while Alleria was her mothers heir she refused to be, and so Sylvanas took it up, the rangers decided to give her a chance w some objecting and Lor’themar spoke in her favor, on some level that sounds like its not quite the picture you tried to paint is it, on some level there has to be consensus despite Sylvanas being the next in line. Vereesa’s claim is null and void because she abandoned her people and like you point out isn’t one of the elves that stayed.

That means the current Ranger General was probably an agreed upon consensus of the next senior Farstrider, which is also officially backed as such by the government of Quel’thalas. And Lor’themar is still regardless above that position.

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Everything you say after this is 100% right.

The problem is, it is STILL a really annoying and worrying loophole in the whole thing, which Blizzard could use in another revamped faction conflict. WHY Ranger-General had to be hereditary and passed down through the Windrunner line I don’t know, but as Lor’themar’s authority came from Kael’thas, whom himself betrayed Quel’Thalas, and the Windrunner line was never stripped of it’s titles and privileges by the only monarch anyone seems to care about in Quel’Thalas anymore (Anasterian), the fact remains she has more of a claim to Quel’Thalas on a political level so long as it remains the same nation it has always been.

I’d say, “But at least Blizzard wouldn’t be STUPID enough to split the Blood Elves, AGAIN, in another internal conflict,” but then they went and pulled Void Elves out of thin air as if just to show, YES, they are that stupid.

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Alleria has no claim, who would even follow her anyway? I feel more blood elves would be loyal to Lor’themar and Halduron than someone who is a danger to the sunwell, and a member of the alliance.

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Alleria abdicated her claim to the RG title in the Sylvanas novel, and (perhaps more importantly) her mother officially disinherited her in front of the whole kingdom. Lor’themar actually argues the point that Alleria chose the Alliance over Quel’Thalas when some other ranger tries to press her claim anyway, and Alleria herself says Theron is right.

Vereesa might have half a claim to it but I don’t really see her making it. She’s literally a ranger-general of her own group of Alliance-loyal elves already.

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It’s irrelevant the last Windrunner to hold the Ranger General title would be Sylvanas, Alleria outright refused and Vereesa basically runs a splinter hyper militaristic group sworn to Dalaran ie: she forfeited the rights like Alleria before her did.

Lor’themar remains the highest authority in Quel’thalas period. Though I do agree I would like him to take the mantle of King, and I feel like it could be a possibility w his Kael dialogue coming up / maybe even hinting at a change in his long time view on things in the Thalyssra short story he had where he seemed to kind of get a new perspective on some things. My only irritation w that is I feel he should be King by virtue he already leads Quel’thalas and his merit alone, I’d like to see another current BE leader like Rommath convince him, but if this Kael convo they have coming up does the trick too I won’t complain.

I mean Blood Elves aren’t loyal to Alleria or Vereesa. VEs are a small squad, and even if you take wayfarers and scholars in the rift, they exist to show a few more elves are interested, they don’t indicate vast numbers, and HEs are also probably returning to Quel’thalas as well on some level so I doubt it adds or detracts much in the end w them.

The fact she wasn’t there when the Farstriders presumably came to a consensus on who the next Ranger General would be I would say is forfeiting that, I’d argue either hereditary is no longer a point, or it belongs w Haldurons family now.

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