In case you don’t know what a strawman is, in debates it is defined as avoiding addressing what was said and instead replacing it with a false statement regarding what someone else has claimed.
You can play haute all you want and pretend I said the Blood Elves are joining the Alliance, though I am more sure you also realize that people can read our posts and see what I have actually been saying, rather than jumps in logic you keep trying to make a performance of presenting.
So you’re reasoning that the leader of the Blood Elves is joining the Alliance w no implications what so ever w Blood Elves?
… No. I’m not sure how to make this any clearer: I am not saying Lor’themar is joining the Alliance.
What I am saying is that Lor’themar could very well establish allegiances to the Alliance while also maintaining his allegiances to the Horde, the implications for the Blood Elves being they would find themselves working with the Alliance more than they already do.
You say things like this as if thats not what you’re saying
But when I originally commented on your post all you’ve done is try to back up what you said
Here’s your reasoning for Thalyssra
Here’s your reasoning for Lorthemar
More reasoning
Typically speaking people don’t elaborate on reasonings that make that point if they’re denying the point.
And maybe Jaina will do the same, or Genn, or Vereesa because the weak reasonings you’ve given all apply to those characters in one shape or another.
Thal works and makes ties w Alliance? Well so does Jaina and Genn.
Lor’themar tried to join the Alliance in MOP? Well Vereesa tried to join the Horde in War Crimes.
Does this only work for Alliance players trying to steal Horde characters?
… Lets try this again. You are both falsely claiming what my point, and falsely claiming that I am denying my point. Everything you quote does back up my original point. Word for word.
Yes, my follow up statements do support my original statement indeed.
Here is what you are falsely stating:
This is not what I have stated. This is the strawman you are building, as I defined for you above.
We already covered that Jaina is likely also back on the side of establishing beneficial ties between the Horde and Alliance. Vereesa is also likely to start seeing that, if she, like Alleria, wants to see Quel’Thalas working with the Alliance again, it would be best for her to start working on the peace with the Horde as well. Genn is less likely to willingly want ties between the Horde and Alliance, but there are people who have convinced Genn to before, such as Varian and Anduin, so if ties between the Horde and Alliance are established Genn would likely ultimately, if begrudgingly, go along with them as well.
You’re arguing Lorthemar and Thalyssra would join the Alliance
You seem to think that making two Horde races neutral is somehow not arguing against their status as Horde and yet is very much is, and its also backed and based on nothing other than your reaches and inserted personal opinion.
I am not.
No matter how many times you state that I am or have, you will still be making a false statement.
Wouldn’t just be the two. If Blizzard does give in and allow cross-factions guilds it would be all races that are neutral.
Thats effectively arguing for a neutral placement of Blood Elves
“Allegiances to the Alliance while maintaining allegiances to the Horde”
Are you going to argue for Night Elves to maintain an Allegiance to the Horde as well as the Alliance?
They very likely will, yes. Hell, Horde players quest with Malfurion and Tyrande often enough that it wouldn’t really be a change of pace for them.
There’s a big difference between cross faction guilds.
And the dissolution of factions and or having the Blood Elf racial leader “swear allegiance” to both the Horde and Alliance.
One is gameplay the other has actual implications w the story and the placement of Blood Elves as effectively a neutral race.
There will be no disillusionment of the factions. European countries did not give up their identities when they formed the EU. The Horde and Alliance can maintain their own separate councils and leadership while pledging ties to both sides.
She did less than the horde’s blood elf forces have tbqafh.
She repelled one (1) Legion invasion.
I feel like you could have just started off w that statement instead of specifically citing Lor’themar and Thalyssra two Horde characters representing their respective Horde aligned races I would add.
I don’t agree w your idea but I don’t care nearly as much now that you’ve applied the standard to the Alliance races and leaders as well.
Let us see, thanks to her, the Horde never managed to win the Second War, thus keeping Quel’thalas safe. She also helped the Alliance close the Dark Portal, thus preventing Draenor’s catacylsmic explosion from also affecting Azeroth. (side note, the blood elves didn’t even “repel” the last Legion invasion, it was the Alliance who canonically did the Sunwell Raid)
She spent at least 500 years with the Army of the Light doing hit and runs again the Legion, giving Azeroth, and the universe the breathing room to not get invaded.
No, she didn’t. “Time works differently in…” No, it doesn’t. Nothing reflects that.
Azeroth showed up, Argus was slain, Sargares was chained, so… what is this fiction?
Listen to, ‘A Thousand Years of War.’
he left to protect his homeland just like alleria
and he is currently residing in quel’thalas. thats his last lore location. he cant represent his elves in stormwind now can he. the whole point of being their ‘high elf representative’ is to stay in quel’thalas
an island expedition team that serves as an easter egg to charlies angels doesnt change that
She had nothing to do with that. Draenor was dying because orcs were dumb about portals. Their source of alien troops would be disrupted either way. Illidan found the orc troops broken and dismayed. He had to reunite them for his army.
This is her one (1) claim to fame.
Which amounted to literally nothing. The Legion was still the most dangerous force in the known setting and they had still conquered or destroyed every single planet they had ever visited, with the exception of Azeroth.
Illidan entered Draenor years later, the second war was won before the son of lothar expedition to Draenor in which Draenor exploded. Alleria had an huge influence in the events of the second war, and thereafter …