Quel'thalas belongs to the Alliance

Oh wow you were actually serious LOL

And since then Blood Elves (the playable High Elf race w the lore kingdom and sunwell) are more Horde than ever, w Lor’themar sitting on the new Horde council.

It’s literally almost funny how people who are mad about BEs being Horde cling to that one side story which was never going to be a reality, but manage to ignore like all of WC3 and like all of BC.

:roll_eyes:

Genn seemed to agree to truce so I guess we can tell he’s going Horde first right?

What about Vereesa who almost went Horde? I guess she’s on the list of possible HEs returning home under the Blood Elf banner? No?

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We literally had Blood Elves join the Alliance after being saved from being turned into Ethereals. Quel’Thalas has a considerable history of flip-flopping on their allegiances.

A side story that Garrosh derailed by framing the Sunreavers and causing the Dalaran Purge.

Which is still having affects to this day, as during Nazjatar Lor’themar sided with Thrall and Saurfang when they killed a victim of the Purge, Magister Hathorel, to save Baine.

Vereesa never almost went Horde. She was already married to Rhonin before the Scourge even attacked Quel’Thalas.

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The small squad that devs commented were more significant than any “Alliance HE” population? The ones who were already exiled from Quelthalas at the time of their incident?

He actually doesn’t die I just did that quest he freezes himself right as the game ports you out.

And Lorthemars presence on Baines side has no “bearing” on anything.

Yes she did, but not surprising you ignored that while wishful thinking into existence things that amount to nothing while connecting dots that aren’t there to claim

Cause Lorthemar and Thalyssra are very much Horde.

Is Jaina and Kul Tiras going Horde given her remarks to Thrall outside Thunderbluff that they’ve changed? What about her working w the Horde in Nazjatar which is your source for why Thal is on the move to the Alliance? Does the same weak reaches work when Horde players argue to steal Alliance things or just in the reverse like you’re doing?

Not really, they just never liked the Alliance and have been Horde longer at this point than they ever were Alliance, which I guess in and of itself is a reflection of their lack of like of the Alliance but not anything about the Horde at this point in time huh?

Which doesn’t really make any sense considering it was just a bunch of renegades but Blizzard being Blizzard wanted to make it seem like the void elves were more numerous then they should be.

But let us say that is the case. Then that means at least 21% or so of all Quel’thalasian elves is now part of the Alliance.

There will be enough high elves as the plot demands. Hell, they have been in more conflict zones then some of the actual playable races!

No I’ll stick w what devs have said which is that Alliance HEs aren’t even comparable to VEs and BEs maintain the majority population.

You can live in your head canon tho idc it’s nothing to me.

They also said 10% of all the survivors remained high elf. So yeah that is 21% of the joining the Alliance. And I am not even talking about the constant catastrophic loss of life of the blood elves/the conversion of certain blood elves to void elves.

Same to you bud, all I know the high elves will continue to exist regardless of whatever you head canon and I expect will continue to be part of the Alliance story(and considering population has never meant anything meaningful to the story is as good as headcanon to think they are so few), hell, I still expect with Blizzard current push to reduce the faction barriers it is only a matter of time before they do become playable(or at least we get more void elf options)

Yeah. The Blood Elves who had been under the Horde from Burning Crusade until Legion. They weren’t even still High Elves before becoming Void Elves.

Good catch, thank you. I had forgotten about that. I remember thinking he would become a raid boss when we fought Sylvanas. Now I guess he’s just another hostile Blood Elf that’s disappeared, like Thalen Songweaver and Fanlyr Silverthorn.

Unless you have a citation to make, the only appropriate response to this is “Nuh uh.”

Given her protecting Thrall in the Maw and helping save Baine, Jaina is indeed likely back on the side of establishing beneficial ties between the Horde and Alliance again.

Quel’Thalas was part of the Alliance for thirteens lore years after the Second War, and even then Kael’thas maintained ties to the Alliance for another five lore years until Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. Quel’Thalas has only been in the Horde for eight lore years since it joined in Burning Crusade.

Which isn’t even considering the more then seven-thousand years of history Quel’Thalas has with Humans, given it would have never even been founded without them.

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Blood Elves are the playable High Elf race so ugh prior to being VEs yeah they were.

Now they are Void infused and you can play them Alliance side to your hearts delight.

I mean you were wrong like the rest of your claims so okay

I’m fine knowing what’s in the novels if you don’t read them or don’t recall like seems to be a theme for you thats on you.

Is Horde and that clearly bothers you if you’re reaching to the extent you do to try to connect non existent dots to tell the story Thalyssra and Lorthemar are ready to make the switch to the Alliance - which is exactly what you claimed

This was certainly a take, and your reasoning is as sound as Jaina or Vereesa or Genn suddenly switching to the Horde because of some reach literally anyone can decide to make w characters who for even an instance work w the opposing faction.

And there are many non-playable High Elves who are not and never were Blood Elves.

I indeed do, I have three Void Elf alts, and am considering race changing my Blood Elf Death Knight to a Void Elf as well.

Ah, I see the technicality you’re relying on. Sylvanas was offering Vereesa to rule and reshape the Horde to their whims after killing Garrosh, not be a serving member of it.

Seeing as you ignored how long Quel’Thalas had been in the Alliance compared to how long it had been in the Horde, I would apply your own words more to you than to me:

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She was still considering joining the Horde.

Considering you’re claiming the same about Lor’themar when we all know that was a minor story to convey issues w Garrosh not an actual scenario of Quel’thalas leaving the Horde, only people who take issue w Quel’thalas not being Alliance would cling to that and here you are it would seem.

No I’d still say my words apply to you, considering you started off by claiming Thal and Lorthemar were ready to go Alliance.

Don’t recognize Blood Elves as High Elves.

Misremembered several things at this point

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Lor’themar is a diplomat, and, as we saw at the stand against Sylvanas at Orgrimmar with Lor’themar kowtowing to Shandris, Lor’themar would take whatever political means are most beneficial. In example, in Dragonflight Lor’themar is having the Reliquary work with the Explorer’s League.

I can admit when I’m wrong. You, on the other hand, run and avoid.

A Farstrider and Regent Lord.

This is your citation for Lorthemar going Alliance now? That he advances the plot, Horde plot I might add.

Considering you have quoted what I posted three times so far, it is remarkable that you somehow have convinced yourself that I said that Lor’themar was “going Alliance.” Here, let me quote myself for you so you can read it a fifth time:

Right you’re claiming Thalyssra as well, and this helps your case how?

Thalyssra was quick to make ties not only with Shandris but Jaina as well, as we saw at Orgrimmar.

So you’re back to claiming both Thalyssra and Lorthemar are going to join the Alliance then, claims w no backing and extreme reaches from someone who if I had to guess can’t stand Quelthalas and Suramar are Horde and fit better Horde.

Guess Vereesa is going Horde then soon w that logic, or Jaina or Anduin

That’s a cute strawman you’re building.

You have no basis for claiming Thalyssra and Lorthemar are going to leave the Horde, and if you think you do, then I have news for you on a number of Alliance and Alliance sympathetic characters that for the same almost parallel weak reasons can be argued Horde.

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Getting tired? Pretty sure you meant “going Alliance” there.

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Actually I’m dyslexic and its very obvious what was meant but okay

I’d imagine I can’t be as tired as someone whose been grasping at straws since MOP w that storyline meant to convey issues w Garrosh not an actual plot line moving the Blood Elves to the Alliance.