Here’s a question for you: Should PvErs have to spend time doing rated arena each week to be competitive in PvE? And remember, you need to be 2k+ to have the same ilvl gear that drops at the end of a M+ 10.
See how silly it is in reverse?
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Some people are convinced that the essences you get from PvP are necessary to be viable in PvE, yes.
Convinced based on reality through sims or convinced because of what is in their head?
I figured this was why they took out gear vendors after wod, because they were staking their esport pvp programs on getting raiders to try their hand at pvp.
Well, it didn’t work all that well, so they figured that they needed to try harder. More of the same.
Actually according to Blizzard theirselves for several expansions until different leadership came.
You see, we just want consistency.
It is a bit silly considering the entire argument here is that PvE gear is so much better/easier to get than PvP gear. Should I feel compelled to do something that you think is an inferior source of character progression to progress my character? I think that question answers itself.
But during those expansions/periods during expansions when PvP gear offered rewards that were as good or better than what they could get out of PvE for similar time investment…guess what happened? People PvP’d.
Can I ask that question of people who think they have to PvE to be good in PvP?
No they didn’t. They yelled about it on the forums until pvp gear was nerfed.
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Wrong. People were up in arms during the legendary cloak quest during MoP.
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Haha no. Whenever anyone feels as if they have to do anything PvP related to progress, they immediately come to the forums and have a meltdown over it.
It’s already been answered. PvE gear is more easier to obtain and is better than what you can get in PvP. You even acknowledged yourself that top rated players are having to do their +10 every week to stay competitive.
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I don’t think Pvp and Pve needs to be compared in difficulty. Both are very different it makes sense that pvp gear exist for that purpose. I think it makes sense to make pvp gear rewards the best in pvp and pve rewards the best in pve. I don’t think pvp gear has been “too strong” ever in this game, yes some builds like bear tank used it, I don’t think much.
Given this game is, and the majority of the players playing it participate in, PvE should answer why PvP anything doesn’t get the resources devoted to it that PvE content does. /shrug
I’ve PvPd very few times since WoW vaniller launch. This isn’t coming from a carebear mind you. I PvPd my lily-white butt off in DAoC and especially Warhammer Online from server up to down. For some reason WoW PvP just never caught my fancy.
They should bring back something like resilence and pvp power. So the gap between pve and pvp isn’t as big.
Switching the PvP gear system from the current system (which still takes development time and resources) to a vendor system wouldn’t be too much to ask. Especially considering it worked that way for like, 13 years without issue.
We aren’t asking for content here, just a better reward system.
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I mean if you think about it, PvP’ers aren’t asking for a whole lot.
All we want is:
-Good class balance/design
-New BG’s/Arenas on a regular basis (preferably every expansion)
-A gearing system that makes sense
Meanwhile PvE’ers have to have:
-A new raid every 5 months
-World content every 2 patches
-A new expansion every 2 years
-Patches that come out on a regular basis with plenty of world/instanced content in them
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I mean you do get balancing patches and new expansions too.
As of BFA? Not so much. Go look at their “letting the meta evolve organically” statement for more info on that.
It’s not like pve got that much more balancing this expansion. I feel that’s more a BFA issue.
Class balance isn’t actual content though.
As for the playable content part. You got 2 new zones to play in.
PvP’ers would be very hard pressed at getting something like a new BG anytime soon.
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They reworked Arathi I think and WSG no (I’m not sure)? I know it’s not new but that’s something. They also remade Ashran and Wintergrasp, I think. And there’s gonna be classic AV with anniversary.
I don’t raid current content in this game either. Did that in EQ hardcore and just wanted to quest and collect in this one so I honestly don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m just offering a rational explanation as to why things are the way they are. You’re playing a PvE game so expecting the same rewards PvEs get is just a bit much.
I don’t raid but to be sure I also don’t expect the same rewards from questing, world quests, or pet battles.