I mean with a system like this. The only way a choice can have impact is through power. Power is the only thing in this setting that really matters, so factions having powers. It was the only logical thing Blizzard could really do to make the faction choice have weight.
Not a counterargument. I just explained to you there’s a clear portion of the playerbase that wants to perform in content and the best thing you can respond with is “Blizzard doesn’t want that”.
Stopped here with this point. This and your previous response tells me that you’re only reacting this way because Blizzard said so. Which is scary because it showcases that you really don’t think about these things yourself.
Not a good counterargument. That’s like saying that CoD players should suddenly get used to the third person perspective as a new main feature of the game as they abandon the first person perspective. Imagine creating a product that nobody really asked for and expecting praise.
Poor argument. Change is good when it’s logical for the growth of the game. Having to create multiple toons because there’s a restriction that limits your ability to perform in different areas of the game is a great way to have another BFA level launch.
Your best counter is Blizzard said so. I don’t blindly nod my head to everything that’s told to me.
Is that like how mages/ locks tell us to just LoS the pyro/ bolts. I guess we are all pretending that cc doesn’t exist.
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Sure, but you are comparing two different things. When firemage / lock CC you, you are in danger of dying. If I waste grip + stun on a circle, I get, what 2, or 3% DR? I think that’s below 0 value at that point.
Again, so it no longer deals dmg or gives main stat in arena?
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You are trying very hard to argue semantics.
I said 0 value, i did not say 0 damage. If this is how you want to continue the conversation, then there is no point.
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and I explained that a portion of the player base that wants this system? You guys act like you are the majority or something.
Until most of the player base got a chance to play it and months after once everyone got to play the systems. This topic can come back up. Whatever points you have about the system does not matter. Blizzard said they don’t agree. That is the end. For now
If it works out, people will adapt. It is not that hard of a thing to understand.
We had to do that in legion? To see the story of other classes, and it is so much easier now to bring up. So sorry not poor argument. It counter your point very well.
Are you getting shadowlands? If you are, well you are indeed nodding your head, to blizzard. Even if you don’t like it. You are supporting Blizzard and a system I will enjoy. For that I thank you.
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i feel like its poor game design if you cant participate well in all forms of the content provided…
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but you can?
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but you need to make an alt to pvp?
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I mean no, but you want to be the best at it. Sure? But you can still pvp without the skill.
The choice you made matter. You have ways to get around said choice by making alts.
There is zero value in and ability that provides aoe dmg, empowers an ability, dmg reduction and main stat gains? You are right. There is no point to this conversation. You are sandbagging.
Oh boy, no spoilers, because I have a feeling you are interested in BC legacy, but let me tell you the “original devs” and their feelings on hybrids. Spoiler, you do between 5-15% less dmg than pures for the feels.
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Sorry but there’s nothing left to discuss here.
You’re not capable of formulating your own thoughts and coming to your own conclusions without Blizzard telling you exactly how to think.
You prefer a selfish stance, I prefer one that thinks about the community and growth of the game.
You go around calling people children but have the memory of an infant and can’t recall how this went down in previous expansions.
You want to lie down to Blizzard while I want them to stand with the players and get the game back on track.
When it comes to the betterment of the game, let alone discussing how we can make it a more positive experience for everyone you don’t really have anything worthwhile to add to the conversation.
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A choice doesn’t actually matter if it only negatively affects you.
If the “meaningfulness” in a choice is that I’ll do well in Mythics but fail in PvP, that is an overall net-negative, I don’t actually gain any meaningfulness in that, it’s literally just arbitrary content gating.
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I’d actually be far more forgiving of that since it was Blizzards 2nd expansion. Not to mention that it doesn’t really matter in the long run because we wouldn’t be trying to push for anything like Realm First or be super tryhard. I have the expectation that you could go into raids with almost any comp and be just fine just like in Classic.
this game has been primarily about doing things efficiently, evidenced by said features that you do not enjoy that are now in the game. and even before group finder there was a thing called Oque. before raiderio there was “link achieve” . it would be insane for blizzard to implement something like this and the playerbase being okay with it, just as much as it is insane to have to make a alt of the same class to be able to play 2 forms of content for the best results.
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Agree, you keep deflecting and don’t counter any points I made. It is ok to just say I don’t agree.
Your lack of reading comprehension is not my issue.
I don’t get my way and you do. So you are selfish. This moral stance you are taking is silly. It is a game, and it will keep changing.
I only called people a child when they start attacking, and throw a hissy fit when someone does not agree.
Stand with what players? They are standing with players. My side.
What a childish remark. You need to accept the fact that both sides can’t get what they want. This dream world where Blizzard can change the game to make everyone happy is foolish.
I’m done with you as well. When you started throwing hissy fits means that you have nothing worth reading.
I don’t see it as a negative thing?
From what I saw of PVP. Trinkets will carry you more than this choice. We can say that about any system. Gear holds you back. Force to do pve just to be good at pvp. Wow always had systems that you had to go through to be better at something. This one limits, but ways around it.
Nah you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said. Like I said though, you don’t really have anything worthwhile on the subject. I’ve had conversations with others on the opposing side of this issue, you’ve had by far one the worse stances I’ve ever seen on GD.
Have a good night!
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The raid sets are by armor type, there is a covenant set, but that’s more like the order hall set in legion.
Regarding a separate point that was made earlier, in anything but the most competitive content, it’s not true that one has to make the most optimal choice in order to be an excellent contributor to any particular dungeon, raid, or similar group.
By that logic, I would be required to chase the highest-performing spec for every patch, which is not necessary, and has always been a recipe for burnout.
If you know the instances and fight mechanics, improve your gameplay, know how to gear appropriately, and put in the effort to be prepared, you will be an asset to any dungeon group or raid through heroic and up to 15+ keys at the very least, and really more than that, I am understating it somewhat.