No need, again, I have zero issues with the community. I have issue with people like you and the OP who virtue signal and want all these things added that do not apply in this game. There are zero stories of discrimination based on orientation, show me one, then we’ll talk!
Nobody is forcing you to push your outside stuff in either. So really the same can be said for you. They have tons of communities that hold their own Pride events, and don’t come here asking for “special” events.
As plenty have pointed out, they highlight one, they have to highlight them all, and bring more real life stuff into Azeroth which the majority do not want.
You seem to be under the impression that I am asking for it. Let me go ahead and set the record straight for you since I have to go back to work:
I am not asking for more LGBTQ+ representation to exist in the game. I am entirely indifferent. I wouldn’t mind it being in the game and am certainly more receptive of its inclusion, but I am not going to lose sleep over whether or not the game has more representation. If it does, it does. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t.
I am here not because I want more representation, but because I think it’s silly that people like you somehow think LGBTQ+ representation is going to detract from the game by trying to formulate these reaching arguments that are hardly justified in every sense of the word. This whole “but muh history!!!” is a tired argument because this is a fictional world. Nothing about this game dictates gay people can’t exist in it.
Your “immersion” will still be intact. Your game will still be the game you’ve played for years. Nothing of substance would change about the game except you might have to see a rainbow flag in Stormwind occasionally for one week out of the year. What horror! /s
You don’t really have a statistic for this. For someone who wants me to give evidence, you certainly have a knack for not providing any for yourself.
Ya, new game modes, map areas, and store mounts. Not the option to join the Bloods or Crips. ( I guess given the horde and alliance base colors are red and blue you could roll play it, but that is also true with anything related to LGBTQ as well, just roll play )
You are seriously missing the point of this massive fantasy world called WoW. And still no one, not one person has had a good reason to bring real life into it. Why add LGBTQ to WoW, why? Over all other content they could be adding for actual game play why add LGBTQ?
You like to go one about things I have never stated. It’s a wonder to me that you need multi paragraphed responses for this.
I am not against it, I am against the way the OP does it. I am against the need to bring all of the outside issues into the game.
As much as you want to attempt to make me seem “phobic” you cannot, unless you put thoughts out there you “think” I believe, which you have done repeatedly here.
I am here to save the world, in a video game, if I wanted to help social injustice that exists in real time, I would be volunteering my time to do so, not waxing poetic in a video game forum.
And I never said you did. You did, however, imply the argument that it would break your immersion, which I think is just as tired of an argument as anything else that tries to validate the exclusion of LGBTQ+ representation.
Are you really trying to insult me for having coherent, laid-out arguments for something? Would you like me to go into caveman speak to make it easier for you?
I don’t think you’re phobic. I think you’re ignorant to the reality that nothing would fundamentally change about your game. If you think I’m calling you anything close to phobic, then maybe that’s a problem you should sort out yourself.
And you can do that. Nobody is stopping you from doing that.
I actually gave a great reason:
Because people want it in the game and it affects you none. That is as good of a reason as anything else.
Clearly that is an on going debate. That is only a good reason if we can use it for anything. There are plenty of threads of people asking to have things added to the game. Things that actually are related to current WoW activates and lore, yet they don’t get added to the game. Why not people wanted it?
And it does. Tell me have you been in the LFG queue ever? I want to tell you something that has happened a lot lately.
You get into the dungeon, after waiting a bit, to encounter someone who wants to be addressed as X. This has happened to me 5 times now, more than hearing any slurs. In one instance, I said ok, no one else did, then a 10 minute long argument ensued and we lost most of the group. Why was that needed there? It’s a pug dungeon with people you are never going to see again.
Other times this has happened, whole groups just left. When people do this just for the battle, which is common in game and here on forums, how can you say this doesn’t break immersion with a straight face?
No I am merely commenting on your superfluous use of words that are completely unnecessary to your point.
See above.
My take? When people try to push it they are looking for an argument.
I am not interested in these whataboutisms. They are hollow arguments meant to deflect off of the discussion we are having.
If these other things people want added to the game aren’t going to substantially change the game or detract significant resources elsewhere, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be added. However, I do not care to have a discussion about those things. If I did, I’d be in those threads.
That sucks. Sorry to hear that.
What relevance does it have to having Blizzard put in LGBTQ+ character and/or a pride event in the game?
See, that’s what I’m talking about, good old roll play. Have these LGBTQ hero’s ever try to make their own communities in game? Or is it strait to the forums with a list of demands.
Officially stated by Danuser, Azeroth’s norms are not comparable to Earth’s one, speaking, that LGBT+ is normal there. But this statement has been made during the current woke-era and could be just a fanservice to make people happy, although the lore has been LGBT-friendly since Pre-Release MoP.
What bothers people is rather the entitlement coming from flamboyant LGBT-members who have the audacity to provoke people in their “right” to do so. Like extreme feminism, it’s a destructive path and we usually see this with the “you assume I’m gender x”-meme. This is a very dangerous game which not only brings a lot of resentment but will backfire due its illogical demand: If you want to be addressed as x, then you need me to address as [provocative] y - because this is a two-side way.
Bringing politics or sexuality in popular culture is a risky undertaking which can alienate the player base. People over the world have different standards, tastes and beliefs. And yes, while you can enrichen the experience a lot, it can also bring disaster when things go hi-wire.
I have stated why Pride wasn’t needed you responded:
Why have an event when this doesn’t happen in the game? I have said this for about a year now in every thread the OP posts. Care to tell me why it’s needed and where an npc turned you away?
Now I want you to address this part:
So every social group out there would deserve the exact same consideration. Do we really need all these extra external events that again do not occur in the game? Do we need to bring more politics into the chat every time they put up another event?
That’s not whataboutism. Whataboutism is pointing out your detractors have done the same bad thing you yourself have done. It was popularized during the Cold War Era when The Soviet Union would often address criticisms with their government by saying “What about…” then pointing out terrible points in history when those government who criticized them had done similarly.
An example being when pointed out that the social cleansing pogroms engaged by the USSR and other Communists regimes were human rights violations, they’d point out how the U.S. treated Native Americans as a justification for their own actions.
Okay, I’ll address this for you, since you seem intent on having it addressed.
Blizzard is not going to be pressured to include any and all social issues into the game just because they add one. What many of you don’t really seem to understand is that social activism and social activist groups are not divided against one another, and nobody from Black Lives Matter or Stop Asian hate is going to suddenly get mad at Blizzard for not including their social movements into the game.
You want to know why? Because social movements understand that a win for one group is a win for every group, even if those group’s goals don’t necessarily align with each other, because the intent is the same.
Did you consider that, even if it did, it probably wouldn’t affect you?
We been talking about making changes to the game. You made the argument that people wanting the change is a good enough reason to do so. Regardless if it’s LGBTQ or more mog options, what people want does not always make for a good reason for it to be added.
Very simple idea that in no way was meant to deflect from the thread.
Are you sure? I know when the protesting was happening people were asking for it. I know that people asked for so many events based on race, religion, and social status. It makes me wonder how long you have watched GD. It happens all the time.
I did and like highlighted above, I think you like trying to believe in this fabled utopia, but just reading GD alone shows you that people ask for this all the time and not just for pride.
Gonna have to disagree. When one group gets special treatment all groups demand the same. Theres no “one win is a win for all” one group does not represent another.
Are Blizzard servers going to be shut down just because more representation is in the game?
Is the content going to be lesser just because there’s representation in the game?
Is having some toxic person in LFG asking you to call them by their preferred pronouns going to be any different than a toxic tank who thinks a healer is bad, or a toxic healer who thinks a DPS is bad?