I will find it and relink it here in a few( im getting ready for work). I appreciate the thoughtful reply. You still need data to prove it though than subjective opinion. I get that you are passionate about thos project, we all are. I also agree with you in where would we start with the cost. Keep in mind though you still pay a fee for respecs regardless if you have dual.
Itâs simple.
Letâs say dual spec costs the wrath amount of 1k gold.
Your average raider who PvPed or hybrid from what I recall respected at least twice a week. Thatâs 100g a week drain. After 10 weeks i would have effectively started saving myself that 100g a week and that means I have more money for other things. Inflation sets in.
Take into account that yes they have two trees but if they want to change one of those trees you still pay to change it. We can speculate that it could end up the way you suggest but also take into account that inflation is global, meaning if the prices go up so does the amount of gold you have. Its not as if everyone is paying different rates. Also we really donât know if that would happen or not, this is why I keep saying we need data and not opinion.
okay but how often would they actually want to do that?
you make 1 dps spec and 1 healing (or tanking) spec.
its going to drastically cut back on how often you are paying for respecs to the point of making it almost negligible because by the time you actually do have to respec, your respec fee has fallen quite a bit.
and its not a question of if it would happen or not. it simply would happen.
less gold is being removed from the game in the long run.
you want proof - why would you buy dual spec if its not saving you money in the long run?
You cannot speculate. Why do you think we have clinical trails for medications or treatments? Sure I can say âthis will absolutely happenâ but until I actually see it, I cannot back up my claim.
You would buy dual spec because you want more freedom to enjoy the game because of poor gear itemization at max levels and poor design (my original arguement).
Mat we can go at this for days. Lets just agree to disagree and we can just see what happens.
its not speculation.
why was dual spec so popular in the first place? because it saved you gold.
why is saving gold a good thing? because it means you have more gold for other things.
and yet the fact is you canât accept these simple facts. this is why those who want classic to just remain classic get so tired of people asking for changes. you ask for proof when the proof is obvious to anyone and you ignore them because it doesnât fit your argument.
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Ok Mat. What facts am I accepting? Ive asked for proof from a verified source, you cannot provide it. You are getting mad at someone over the internet for asking you to back up a claim. I dont need to go any further because you simply dont get it.
how canât you. lets make this simple.
lets say dual spec costs 1,000 gold like it did in wrath.
would you agree that after changing between your 2 specs 20 times, you would have effectively made your 1,000 gold investment back? (50g per respec * 20 respecs = 1,000 gold).
would you also agree that because you are switching between two pre established specs, you are not actually paying a respec fee, and thus your respec fee would drop, as it did in vanilla, over time?
Oh people have given many great reasons for keeping dual spec out, but ou clearly didnât read any
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Cry more pro-changers!
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Yeah except this isnât about agreeing or disagreeing. You are wrong in thinking dual spec wouldnât hurt classic. Period. There is no opinions on the matter here whether you like it or not.
You are wrong in thinking dual spec would hurt classic.
And let me guess, Iâm wrong in thinking the world isnât flat as well. This isnât matter of opinions here sweet heart, itâs just a simple fact. Disagree if you want, just realize it makes you look mentally ill.
increased buying power leading to inflation.
No to mention, it will screw up pvp allowing anyone and everyone to have dedicated pvp specs. There will be an unnatural amount of pom pyro mages, sl locks, shadow priests, not to mention all the others. There will be no reason for anyone to ever enter a bg ever again without having the best of the best pvp spec on.
It will also mess up raiding, making it easier. Would this fight be easier if we had more healers? Thatâs fine just have our dps switch to healer.
But like you said, the most important is probably just the removal of the gold sink. Dual spec = never having to respec again, which means free money.
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Does an addition or change that affects the way a player plays the game affect gameplay?
I mean if they no longer play it they it was because of said changes it does indeed affect gameplay.
All of the changes with the exception of authenticators does and will affect the way a player plays the game
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Sure I would agree that if you play exactly in that manner that it could happen. But what happens when you take it beyond one player? What about all the variables in play? How much time are people investing in playing? Thos is why I ask for data. Its easy to form an opinion and sketch it out on paper, its another ballgame to back up the sketch with verified claims. Yes people will save some money but will it affect anything? We donât know.
As far as inflation goes. It does not matter as everyone will have the same benefits. Its a wash.
Also as promised, my original post verbatim.
Personal opinion of someone who has played since beta. Dual spec is fine. It does not cause any differences in actual gameplay only how you play. The respec cost is still there so if you are trying different specs, you still pay. It allows engagement for many classes to pvp and pve, notably hybrid classes. For example all druid raid set gear is based on healing. I think its pretty terrible design from the get go to pigeonhole that class by gear and I also think its bad design to require a respec if said person does not want to heal in PvP or vice versa. Having two only increases options to do both activities in a more streamline fashion. You could even make it so you had to go to a capital city to switch it vs ooc switching for those of you that feel it would âhamper gameplayâ.
Im fairly no changes but having to waste gold and time farming gold to perform activities based on poor class design and poor gear design seems a bit ludicrous.
Iâll bite. Classic WoW is something that vanilla enthusiasts begged for for years, they sent in multiple petitions, contacted Blizzard representatives and devs in an attempt to be heard. So, after several years of Blizzard nuking down private servers and disgruntling a very large community of vanilla players, a compromise was made.
Blizzard would bring up its own official vanilla-like servers to appease the vanilla community. Itâs clear that Classic is a product that needs to cater to the nochanger community, itâs just common sense or else, the large community they seek to drag in wont play their product and itâll be dead on arrival.
I donât plan on playing classic, but at least i can understand how making invasive changes to the Vanilla meta will alienate the very playerbase they seek to satisfy.
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if they arenât going to play enough for dual spec to be worth it, they wouldnât buy it. this is a fairly common practice.
do i buy x if i donât find it worth the investment? no.
but iâll bite - if we go by what you say - you have no clue if your change will effect gameplay and the economy. yet you still want it anyway. yeah no.
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