Premades have completely ruined the PvP BG experience. Do something already

[Adroi-tichondrius]

Dishonest per usual.

The multiboxing problem was massive. After they restricted the use of the third part addons, the problem went away. I haven’t seen a multiboxxers in ages. I went from seeing them everyday while farming, working on quests, bgs, etc. It was a massive problem. Some of the largest threads ever in GD were about it.

As I said, the problem was fixed. The problem was the frequency. When multiboxers were a rarity, no one cared. Even when they were bad in Ashran, it was annoying but it mostly affected a small group.

Same applies now. Premades weren’t an issue and they are now.

@Snowpine-ghostlands

I tried multiple times to get any ounce of genuine progress out of Adroi. He literally could not stop himself from continuing the discussion about exploit vs not, even when I called him out in the posts he replied to.

Despite knowing what I was accusing him of, he did it again, and then was surprised I stopped.

Man you’re dishonest.

@Snowpine-ghostlands

It’s actually insane how even in the midst of predicting it, it happens. You’d think at bare minimum the gift of foresight would have made him give one genuine response. But I got zero.

Yea, they are cheaters. That’s what cheating is. Cheating is doing something with an unfair advantage.

You really are a child that this needs to be explained continuously.

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Blizzard makes the rules.

If they say manually queueing up at the same time via “1, 2, 3, go” in voice comms is fine, then it just is. period. end of story.

The multiboxers made the same argument. How did that turn out for them?

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Primalmatter-stormrage

they wouldnt be able to control team comps

If they successfully sync queue 30+ “solo” players in an epic bg, they do control their team’s comp.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Adroi-tichondrius

How did that turn out for them?

The exact same way as the pre-mades. Still allowed, provided you a certain way.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

@Adroi-tichondrius

@Snowpine-ghostlands

I tried multiple times to get any ounce of genuine progress out of Adroi. He literally could not stop himself from continuing the discussion about exploit vs not, even when I called him out in the posts he replied to.

Despite knowing what I was accusing him of, he did it again, and then was surprised I stopped.

Man you’re dishonest.

@Snowpine-ghostlands

It’s actually insane how even in the midst of predicting it, it happens. You’d think at bare minimum the gift of foresight would have made him give one genuine response. But I got zero.

Yea, they are cheaters. That’s what cheating is. Cheating is doing something with an unfair advantage.

You really are a child that this needs to be explained continuously.

He is literally unable to stop himself. You could convince me he’s an AI chatbot if not for the time it takes him to respond starting from the moment he starts typing.

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

The exact same way as the pre-mades. Still allowed, provided you a certain way.

Yea, and the rest of us will to it that changes. If you want to abuse BGs by continuously dropping queues, you’re going to get punished.

[Primalmatter-stormrage (Primalmatter)]

No because that group would be split across two teams unless a large portion is alright with losing.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Snowpine-ghostlands

You could convince me he’s an AI chatbot if not for the time it takes him to respond starting from the moment he starts typing.

Could just be an AI chatbot where the owner isn’t paying for the 4090s, and so is running it on a GT1030 instead.

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Snowpine-ghostlands

He is literally unable to stop himself. You could convince me he’s an AI chatbot if not for the time it takes him to respond starting from the moment he starts typing.

No need to accuse me of what you’re doing.

Weird cope.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

@Adroi-tichondrius

No need to accuse me of what you’re doing.

Weird cope.

See, now I really am starting to think you’re AI. What are you even talking about now?

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Primalmatter-stormrage

that group would be split across two teams

Why would they be split across two teams if they all got synced queue pops? They’d be on the same epic bg team.

[Primalmatter-stormrage (Primalmatter)]

I was talking about making it so you could only queue unrated solo not in groups so they couldnt control teams.

[Holycow-uldaman]

Yeah, but even if you make everyone queue solo, these premade raids would still sync queue 30+ “solo” players to get their premade raids into epic bgs.

[Primalmatter-stormrage (Primalmatter)]

Right… sorry I keep forgetting unrated isnt cross faction yet. Pretend its cross faction for my example to work.

[Holycow-uldaman]

I think Blizzard should also add a hidden MMR to help separate pugs from premade raiders.

Plus cross-faction teams.

Plus stacking, account-wide deserter debuff when people miss/drop queue pops.

[Snozay-area-52]

Randoms dont get MMR lol

[Petdetective-pagle]

@Kaledin-uther

They won’t learn or agree or give up because they are being intellectually dishonest.

Well that explains you quite well. Are you admitting to being intellectually dishonest finally?

@Kaledin-uther

You do get that want and not want are fairly binary right? Do you get that logic at least? Either they want it in there game or they don’t want it in there game.

That’s… just not how the world works. You’ve never heard of someone being neutral? You’ve never heard of someone not caring?

I know, it may require critical thinking to envision a world with more than two options, but it exists and it’s the world I and Blizzard live in.

@Kaledin-uther

I’m saying people haven’t made enough noise to push it over the line. Make enough noise change happens. Welcome the thread.

If people haven’t made enough noise in the 17 years this has been a thing, then perhaps they never will.

Welcome to reality.

@Kaledin-uther

I know it doesn’t to you. That is the sad part.

Not to me, nor blizzard, which is why they have not changed anything.

@Adroi-tichondrius

That’s why I made the multboxxing example. They turned a blind eye to it for years. That changed.

Just because not every issue isn’t fixed, doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.

Um… you do realize multi-boxing is still allowed, right? They only made it so that multi-boxing via automation is against the rules.

Is any automation happening with bg queueing?

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Yea, and the rest of us will to it that changes.

Then you need to do some work on how to give effective and constructive feedback.

You have to show an understanding of the rules in questions, and so far you’re yet to do so. It’s getting to the point where it looks like your misrepresentations are made knowingly and willfully.

And, if you truly believed that this was exploiting or cheating, you would not be discussing how to do it on the forums (which you have done multiple times), because that is very clearly against the forum rules.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Petdetective-pagle

just not how the world works.

Well, it is if you’re talking about a computer. Data is either a 0, or a 1.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

My idea to fix this is to allow teams to surrender.

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Holycow-uldaman

Plus cross-faction teams.

If they made it cross faction and ilvl balanced, this issue would be fixed instantly.

Hopefully they go that route. That would also make queues much faster for both sides. Would be an absolute win/win.

@Petdetective-pagle

Um… you do realize multi-boxing is still allowed, right? They only made it so that multi-boxing via automation is against the rules.

Is any automation happening with bg queueing?

Yes, we all know it’s still allowed. The issue was the prevalence of them. After the rules were changed, the problem went away.

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Then you need to do some work on how to give effective and constructive feedback.

Nah, I’m good thanks.

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

You have to show an understanding of the rules in questions, and so far you’re yet to do so. It’s getting to the point where it looks like your misrepresentations are made knowingly and willfully.

Again, the cheaters always argue like this.

Blame the person bringing up the issue, rather than acknowledging there is a problem and seek to remedy it. The massive outcry clearly shows there is a problem. If you wish to deny that, than no argument you make is worth listening to.