My all time greatest hit! Woot woot!
No need. I’m very relaxed. About to watch a movie with the wife.
Any suggestions?
For people who missed it:
https://www.engadget.com/2012-12-05-blizzard-takes-a-stand-against-pre-mades-battleground-groups.html
Ah yes, there’s the 12 year old article. Please, at this very point in time (do not let me stop you!) defend its use in your arguments.
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You mean the one that’s only talking about using addons and was thrown out by the blue post in 2019?
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Well Princess Bride is one of the best ever to see together. If you haven’t seen it lately. I don’t know anyone who has not enjoyed that movie.
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They have recently been open to a lot of changes that were unheard of in the past. Looking backwards is silly since Ion isn’t setting direction now, the lady of the land is.
Everyone can read it for themself:
https://www.engadget.com/2012-12-05-blizzard-takes-a-stand-against-pre-mades-battleground-groups.html
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In fairness I was referring more to Adroi and Kaledin than you in my snark. I don’t think you and I have actually interacted much.
Warning: You may need to use the wayback machine to properly view this since it was written 12 years ago.
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I don’t think it’s on Netflix
It must be, truely one the best movies ever, and I’m old, and have seen soooo many movies.
In fact, I live off of my retirement options, but if you have never seen this movie, I will find a way to give it to you on what ever format you can use.
One team is using external tools to communicate and coordinate, is usually top geared AND using multiple addons to improve their advantages to the maximum.
The other is a group of individuals randomly placed together, hardly a “team”, with no set leadership or goals: some posters in this very GD have admitted to join BGs to go mid farm kills or do anything else other than trying to win.
You think those 2 groups are comparable.
Please, rethink it.
inb4 “You can do it too”.
^THIS^
You clearly haven’t read the topic (not judging, as it has over 800 posts now).
I’ve already posted a suggestion for fixing it and never called for a ban.
What’s posted in there is still rock solid and reflects the same exact issue at hand.
To the point that NONE OF YOU, NOT A SINGLE ONE, had the gall to counter what’s in there, because you can’t as it PERFECTLY applies to the currently disastrous situation.
OFF-TOPIC:
This is looking exactly like the topic in the Remix forums ROFLMAO.
Including the unquoted follow ups.
There was a “punishment” akin to a slap in the wrist.
It was so ineffective as a punishment that it might as well have been nothing, which is why some people call it as no punishment. There is no need for further discussion over this.
It wasn’t a literal “no punishment”, just a useless one.
It’s also hilarious to see people still try and argue with the known elitist trolls and public “exploiters” of the issue at hand…
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Every one has access to pvp add ons rofl.
Imagine having such a bad argument you’re complaining about gladiatorlossa lol
How to avoid logical bias and to be intellectually honest. Picking and choosing the information on a topic, that just happens to fit your side, is not honest.
You know that though, you are not interested in truth or finding any sort of way forward or you would see the middle ground. That Blizzard has to re-engage.
Anyway troll on
Like you have been doing? The irony
For further visibility, let’s put in here exactly what is in the article, which is Blizzard’s (Daxxarri was a WoW CM back then) view on the matter back then, and should be the PoV of anyone with a modicum of common sense:
Any addon that enables a full, organized Battleground group to queue against a randomly assembled group is creating a scenario where that coordinated group has a huge advantage. That is not in the spirit of the experience we want to provide in the normal Battleground queue. Playing with friends is fun and important, but it shouldn’t come at the expense of the spirit of the game nor the fun of others.
The normal Battleground queue is for players to jump in and play against other players in a similar situation. We realize that it’s not a perfect system, and we’re still looking at ways to improve normal Battleground queues further. Regardless, it’s not meant for organized groups to “pug stomp” and get quick Honor. We have built in outlets for players that want to organize–if a competitive, social experience was really the goal, then there are clear ways to achieve that.
The ultimate effect that this kind of queuing has had is to drive players away from PvP. Perhaps it’s been a long time since you’ve been in a random group, but a lot of players will see that they’re up against a premade and simply quit. At best, they suffer through it. To an extent premade groups count on this. Heck, one of the popular addons announces opposing players that appear to have rage quit.
Good grief. There’s a whole lot of strawmanning in your post. Bear with me as I break it down for everybody here so you learn from this experience. SMH.
Except that you didn’t. That quote you linked said the following:
It’s definitely not an exploit to enter the queue at the same time using Voice Chat or another communication method.
There is no reference at all in this statement to sync queuing multiple 5 man premades/a raid into 5 man pug content. A 3 man group can fulfill the criteria you quoted just as much as a 40 man raid team can. It is therefore ambiguous as to what exactly vrak was actually saying here. The person who asked the question also worded it poorly as it could also be misinterpreted as queuing as a single 5 man group.
I’ve already done that in my previous response to this in the bg forum. This statement by vrak:
Continuing the discussion from Is this cheating?:
In no way supports your argument. Lets systematically break down your argument, shall we?
Irrelevant. The fact that tickets are not the avenue for issues that are believed to be exploits or cheating or non-intended gameplay is irrelevant to the issue at hand. It’s vrak merely pointing out the fact that the OP used the incorrect method to file the issue. The avenue for addressing these sorts of issues are reports. Again, Vrak is simply pointing out that the OP in that thread used the incorrect method to raise the issue with blizz. It’s no different to when the countless threads on the CS forum whine about “being banned for no reason”, when literally everybody tells them that they need to file an appeal and posting in the CS forum does nothing to help them.
Incorrect. Nobody here has said anything about issues with queuing with other people (read definition: more than 1 person). This is the crux of your entire strawman argument. You have taken the fact that vrak said you can queue with other people and stretched it to potentially mean you can queue a single cohesive 20-40 man raid into max 5 man premade content.
The only person who has no leg to stand on here is you. You have used classic cherry picking and strawman argument tactics in a vain attempt to try to twist vraks words to fit your own opinion on the matter to try to mean something vrak never said. The only person gaslighting themselves here is you. Stop pretending you think you have any form of legitimacy on this. You don’t. Deal with it.
Now that that’s out of the way. Let’s actually break down vraks entire post so that I don’t have to repsond to these kind of gaslighting strawman bad-faith arguments again:
As mentioned, all vrak is saying here is that the OP used the incorrect tool to report what the offending behavior. Vrak in no way has said that because the in-game ticketing system is the incorrect tool used, that that therefore means said offending behavior is acceptable since tickets about it won’t be addressed or looked at.
And this is true for 2 people queuing together as well. Which is by no means a 40 man raid. It is therefore left to open interpretation what vrak is actually saying here. But when we consider the fact that the queue system does NOT allow teams of greater than 5 players to queue into such BG’s, we must therefore conclude that doing so, is by definition circumventing the intended gameplay paradigm and rules implemented by blizz. There is no way you can escape that fact. Should you disagree with this fact, you are more than welcome to attempt to queue a 1 group raid team into an EBG. If you are successful, please report back here. I’ll wait. Although it might be a long wait.
This is probably the only line that could be vaguely misconstrued to mean what you want it to mean. However it is open to interpretation due to said vagueness. I believe it is simply referring to the fact that there may be an issue if such people are using “some other means” (unclear as to what vrak is referring to) to queue up. Perhaps the use of sync addons? Otherwise he is saying it’s perfectly fine to queue with other people into a BG at the same time. No where in this statement does it explicitly state that this is referring to organised raids into max 5 man premade pug content.
At the end of the day, you cannot get away from the fact that the current queue system does not allow single group raids to queue into such content. Most reasonable people will conclude that if the game itself does not allow you to perform a certain action, then that action is not something the developers of said game want performed. Otherwise where does it end? How about I try to get 10 people into an m+ dungeon? Perhaps 40 people into a mythic raid? Oh. What’s that? The portal won’t let me in? Huh. That’s weird. 
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Don’t try and use logic here. They don’t want to read it.
Expanding from that article, some players in there have tried and failed to counter the argument presented though:
PLAYER X:
Now let us be honest, due to these addons and people like Rathamus and Tiny, regular Battleground PVP had picked up and was growing by leaps and bounds. That is what alerted you. More and more people were turning to the “coordinated” PVP and fewer and fewer “random groups” were being formed. The BG’s were no longer sitting idle.
Daxxarri (Blizzard CM):
False. That is neither what ‘alerted’ us, nor were Battlegrounds ever even close to sitting idle.
What is true that there’s been an increase in pre-made groups disrupting the PvP experience for other players, though. Pre-mades in the normal queue, however they are formed, are not something that we’ve ever been particularly fond of. It had become more of an issue of late, so we addressed it accordingly.
PLAYER Y:
I know for a fact, that more and more of our games were against other “coordinated” opposing players. Battles became longer, harder and a whole hell of a lot more fun! They were not the Farm fest you claim they were, they were true Player vs Player games. Not scripted, not forced on anyone, not the repetitive grind of the normal wow game.
Daxxarri (Blizzard CM):
Perhaps this seemed to be your personal experience, but I assure you that this was far from generally the case. Regardless, what of the games that you played that weren’t against other pre-mades? Just hapless casualties to your fun, I suppose?
Based on your enthusiasm for “true Player vs Player” combat, I’m sure that you’ll find War Games and Rated Battlegrounds quite compelling.
You’ve made the assumption that all those things were accomplished expressly so that you could queue into battlegrounds as an organized group against disorganized opponents? That assumption is mistaken. If you want organized PvP against organized opponents, as you claim, that experience is readily available.No one’s wrist was slapped. There have been no suspensions over this issue. We’re just making our stance on the subject clear, so that there’s no room for misunderstanding.
Please, do try and provide a reasonable counter for that.
That goes for Snozex and all others defending this aberration.
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