Because this isn’t the only context this can be applied to. A friend trying to queue into or against a friend. A team specifically targeting another team or even avoiding another team. This topic has come up on the rated side of PvP for years.
No one is arguing that they have been.
And that’s what we are doing. To that, I disagree that the rules aren’t already being broken. Lots of people here clearly think the rules are. Some of you don’t.
It’s not just about camping… They are doing far more then that to disrupt the game for others.
The CoC specifically addresses anything that degrades the experience of the game for other players. I’d say mass leaving a BG does exactly that.
I have seen certain communities not take ques even when 20 of their members pop together, and then they start the game and theres not enough players. Im not here to name those communities, but I agree that is not healthy for the game, and i don’t support that.
Most premade communities do not do that though. Even if only 5 members pop they will still take the que and tough it out.
You also have to keep in mind that the pvp community is small, lots of people know each other.
My name is well recgonized in the pvp community and im a kill on sight target for a lot of people, not to humble brag.
But with a small community like that, there is some bad blood. Some people refuse to play in matches with or against certain people because of bad blood and drama, not because theyre scared they cant win. Again, not naming names.
But also, pugs will leave if youre losing all the time. I often leave a game if im frustrated or we’re being farmed. I never leave rated matches no matter how badly we’re losing though.
Read harder, Blizzard didn’t say what you think they said, and it wouldn’t make sense anyways because if they wanted you queuing as a raid, they’d let you queue as a raid. Seriously, what is your logic here? The intended way to get a premade raid into epic BG’s is timing queue times? When raid queuing used to be an option?
Also, Blizzard bans people for things not explicitly listed in the TOS all the time. Heroic ICC raiders got banned for stumbling across something Blizzard left in the Arthas fight. And bypassing the raid-queue restriction explicitly violates the COC, you’re having fun at the expense of everyone else.
It actually is. Especially when you’re in a BG and it does nothing to advance the stated goals of the BG. Deliberately stalling a BG so that you can force the other team to be a captive audience is a form of gameplay sabotage.
You should have started with this, we’ve covered your earlier arguments pretty extensively which is why we had such quick responses. A lot of us, myself included, aren’t looking to end communities our concern is they’re placed against people that follow the rules of the queue system. We’d accept a ruling of their being intended but they need to adjust the game to accommodate them in a more fair manner.
Sounds like a lot of ideas floated you might agree with, like progressive delays for requeuing and account wide deserter, raid queuing with group matching and an option to opt out, rated epic BGs, epic tournaments, things like that. I don’t want to run you off, it’s just an ultimately destructive system. Ask Plumcrazy or Mizriz how many communities drop when they see them. We’re way past the things you were saying earlier.
You are wrong. Plain and simple.
Blizzard has ruled multiple times that PvP on a pvp server (now called warmode) or pvp instance is never considered griefing
See, we’re not so different. The discussion should be things we have in common and compromises we’re willing to make so the system can work for everyone, community and pug alike.
In world PVP it’s considered fair play because you signed up for it.
In a BG you’re sabotaging gameplay, that’s a reportable offense.
Then why isn’t it turned back on? Someone at Blizzard said, “Yeah, we want raid premades fighting pugs for some reason but we’re not bringing back raid queueing.”
I’ve only seen the one community do that, you probably know who I mean. I’ve also only seen it getting pulled in late. I can see where someone might see it as griefing to set up an overwhelming advantage with a plan to farm HKs but even the other communities aside from a couple seem to hate them so I don’t hold you guys responsible.
You sign up for world PVP with no pretense of having something resembling a fair fight. You know this because the minute two equally matched groups show up, one, or both will leave, hearth out, or shart onto another realm.
BG’s should have some pretense of a fair game.
Still waiting for you to logic out how Blizzard intends for you to bypass the restriction on raid queuing.
20 people in a 40 man epic BG is still pretty devastating.
But it also demonstrate… maybe you’re not actually supposed to do that? You think? Why would Blizzard block raid queuing but allow this, exactly?
PVP was always an afterthought in WoW. Blizzard thought it was more important that '04 ship with raid instances than they thought it necessary for a PVP system.