Premades have completely ruined the PvP BG experience. Do something already

The specific issue isn’t addressed. It’s a general statement. Trying to queue into someone or at the same time as someone isn’t against the rules. This is obvious to EVERY honest person. Why? Because it can happen randomly as well.

The blue response wasn’t “Yes, premades are okay and we’re fine with pug stomping.”

Groups of 5 are fine. :smiley:

You’re moving the goal post. Blizzard has said it’s okay, end of story.

It’s perfectly valid to complain about it and ask for the rules to be changed, and blizzard may change the rules. But as it stands, nothing about it is against the rules.

I’m going to tell you right now though, as someone who pvp’s all the time, the epic bg community would be completely dead without premades, which exist on both factions. We haven’t had a new epic BG since Ashran, and none of the bg’s get changes. Blizzard has stopped supporting epics. Those premade communities are the only thing keeping it alive.

To really drive my point home, Ashran was 10 years ago. We have not had a new epic battleground in 10 years.

How is explaining the error in your reasoning for justification “moving the goal post”

This is an example of moving the goal posts and it’s simply untrue. Are you saying that the members of epic communities would not queue if they weren’t given a significant and unfair advantage against random players? The epic communities need pugs, pugs don’t need them. Without us you’d have to fight each other and you’d be left with whichever community dominated (probably BSG or SPM) and the remainder avoiding queuing when they’re present.

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They never said it was okay. They said the opposite. Also, do you know what… moving the goal posts even means? The context you’re using it in doesn’t make sense.

And this is where we disagree.

These are the worst arguments. Oh yea, epic would be dead without them? Well they are dead with them because tons of players have stopped doing them because of premades.

They are actively destroying them. Delusional take.

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Says everything

They are going to do something but I think splitting the queues and dynamic queues is how it will be done.

:surfing_woman: :surfing_man:

No there isn’t. As I’ve explained previously, the blue post says people ending up in the same BG isn’t a reportable offense.

That does not mean it’s OK to bypass the raid queuing restriction for epic BG’s and hauling north of 20 people into the same BG.

They could probably drive interest if they stopped coddling poop sockers and started aiming for general appeal.

Ah yes, the stoners show up at last. “We just wanna have fun maaaan. No, I don’t know why the intended method to get a raid sized premade into an epic BG is to sync queue timing. No, I don’t know why Blizzard disabled the option to queue as a raid.”

And of course you don’t want it to go away, you want your easy honor farm.

No they didn’t.

No they’re not. They’re what are driving people away from epic BG’s. Absolutely no PUG wants to see they’re fighting a raid sized premade. And ironically even premade groups don’t want to fight other premades, so they tend to dodge the queue when they see each other.

If Blizzard was smart they’d give PVP the overhaul it needs.

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The blue post literally says it is okay to sync ques and go “1 2 3”.

You are wrong, end of story. You don’t get to um actually this, it is clear as day.

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You are wrong. There is a blue post directly in this thread specifically stating that syncing up ques and counting down together does not break any rules. There is no “disagreeing”. It is fact, end of story, unless they change it as they have done with other stances.

The delusional comment is hilarious since you’re over here denying an actual blizzard post settling the matter.

Motte and bailey.

They said it’s not a reportable offense for a couple people to end up in the same BG. Bypassing the restriction on raid queuing is still against the rules. We know this because they’d just let you raid queue if that was intended, just like it used to be.

One. Hundred. Percent. This.

That literally isn’t “yes, premades are okay.”

The response doesn’t address stacking a bg with 40 people. It specifically addresses queuing as the same time. They aren’t the same.

Youre free to incorrectly think this if you want. What else would queing at the same time refer to? Why would a group of 5 ever que at the same time and not just party up?

Premades have existed since Vanilla and nobody has ever been banned for participating in them.

Youre free to petition for this rule to change if you feel it causes a negative user experience, like how the rules for multi boxing were changed, but as of right now it is not against the rules, and that is a fact.

Please show me where the word “couple” was used.

We know its NOT against the rules because 1: Blizzard said so. 2: Not a single account has ever been banned for doing premades in the history of wow.

Again, this is begging the question. If I never get a ticket for driving 10 mph over the speed limit it doesn’t mean it’s legal to drive 10 mph over the speed limit.

Camping players is not griefing. Is it bad manners? Sure. I wouldnt do it personally.

Blizzard has stated multiple times that camping on a pvp server (now warmode) or in a pvp instance is NOT griefing.

You can camp players, farm graveyards, take over cities, kill questing npcs etc. All of these create negative experiences for players, but they are not against the rules.

No, but i can look up the law and find where it says its illegal, and people HAVE been ticketed for it.

You cannot find where its against the rules, and you cannot provide an example of people banned for it. Hint: because its not.

Done arguing with brick walls, have a nice day.

There’s the 5 player limit to queuing you’re exceeding. I understand, you’re losing and have to try and save face.

arguing with internet strangers is nothing but losing. let that sink in.

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Doesn’t really advance your opinion, does it? EDIT: If you can’t defend your opinion it doesn’t seem like it’s an opinion worth having. At least for a rational person.