Lol Isn’t this looping? My earlier msg already answered this.
Why not? It can be, and should be fun!
My point is that Premade SHOULD be OK! It’s just that the current environment is flawed! And Blizz needs to fix the problem by providing a better environment suited to both Pugs and Premade. And everyone who enjoys premade can be proud of their win without being accused of cheating.
I knew you were unable to formulate actual rebuttals but it’s pretty sad you’re not able to understand context and need to not comprehend what I actually said.
I said most people aren’t upset enough to go cry in the forums like you have been for months.
They said a few people ending up in the same BG together isn’t a reportable offense. Not that you could bring 20 people into the match in Epic BG queues. I know you struggle with this but please actually read what they wrote and not what you want them to have written.
2200 is in fact an entry level rated PVP achievement. If you were playing pro or even at risk of going pro that would at least be interesting but you weren’t and you didn’t so you’re just saying that you played semi-seriously 13 years ago. Or paid your way to that rating. Or just happened to play the right spec for the right season. Which would absolutely be in keeping with someone who’s falling all over themselves to justify exploiting the queuing system to get a massive premade group into epic BG’s they’re not supposed to be in so that they can have an incredibly stacked match against a PUG.
It actually does. Go ahead and try and queue up for epic BG’s as a raid group and see what happens. You can’t. Because it’s not allowed. They specifically disabled that feature because it turns out that a coordinated ~20 man group that can account for things like gearing will absolutely annihilate a pug. And it also lead to a problem where premades hated fighting premades and would deliberately dodge queues if they saw one. Which meant that whatever pugs and people who backfilled that BG would find themselves in an unwinnable situation. It was incredibly corrosive to the player base and incredibly toxic so Blizzard banned the practice.
PUGs are not obligated to eat loss after loss because people who are cheating the system feel entitled to wins.
You don’t play BG’s, period. The fact that you brag about your arena rating only demonstrates how you’re unaware you’re playing the game on easy mode. Arena’s queueing system actively tries to give you a relatively fair match. At most you’re never having to consider what more than 4 people are doing.
In AV? You’re fighting a 15 person premade. They flatly out gear your team to the point that their DPS can 2 tap one of your tanks. At least four people are bots. Four people are doom posting in team chat. You’re now going to have to try to win. That’s hard. That’s real hard. Arena’s trying to give you roughly 50:50 odds of winning. Epic BG’s? If you fight a premade you have no pretense of winning. The odds are stacked heavily against you, you’re trying to push that boulder up a hill. If you’re lucky the premade’s just doing a smash and grab. If you’re unlucky they’re camping you and dragging things out because they’re sadistic psychopaths who wonder why no one plays PVP anymore.
It’s not catering to ask that PUGs only fight PUGs and that premade groups fight premade groups. You know what game doesn’t have this problem? FFXIV. It’s not even up for debate: You solo queue for PVP or you queue with specific group sizes. And it works fine. FFXIV in it’s current state has a better PVP system than WoW’s because it’s actually fun. You know what’s not fun? WoW’s pvp community trying to justify every little thing they can that gives them an unfair advantage because they know they’re not nearly as good as they’d need to be to actually swing with the big kids.
You still avoided my question - is there a rule against requesting Clarification?
You are a great help in keeping this thread bumped up with all the looping arguments. This thread needs dedicated people like you and please keep going.
Unfortunately, it seems so right now. However, it’s important for such a bridge to exist between players and Blizz. I hope the Community Council will get the support needed to be more active and be more meaningful.