Premade's are a problem

[Insomnya-sargeras]

i play rated all the time, but who are you to know that, as a trash-talking stranger? So you mock me because in a game of armies I like to fight with an army. Pretty comical.

[Insomnya-sargeras]

So if Aredea here can beat premades, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM…???

Also, Random BG does NOT refer to random people. That is your assumption that you wish to force on others.

[Alphôn-bleeding-hollow]

@Insomnya-sargeras

your post seems to proceed from the premise that no team should have an advantage and that if organizing is an advantage, organizing should not be allowed.

No, teams have advantages in the form of gear and who on your team are playing the fotm classes/specs. How many healer does your team have compared to the enemy team, do you have a tank on a flag map and the enemy doesnt, etc.

The fact is, organizing to the degree that Blizzard allows it is fine. They allow you to queue in a maximum of 5 players. That’s completely okay, other players can do that. What other players cant do all the time is sync queue. Refer to my point here:

@Alphôn-bleeding-hollow

Realistically speaking, if all solo players were to start forming groups and using a countdown method (including dropping a queue whenever they all didn’t get the same pop to rinse and repeat) games would become rare to come by, or at the very least you’d join games with only half the players on each team. It just isn’t a healthy solution for the game.

Which is why I gave my suggestions here:

@Alphôn-bleeding-hollow

First, give premades the option to queue as a raid group. The catch is, they will be put into a separate queue that will only pair them up against others queueing in a raid group. People queueing solo or in a party would continue to queue like normal how it is now, however, they would have a checkbox option in the BG queue UI where they can choose to be included as backfill for raid queues.

Second, make random battlegrounds cross faction. This serves as an extra layer of protection against sync queuers. They all sync a queue, get the same pop, join the battleground, and suddenly half of their premade is on the enemy team.

Are we having this discussion or are you going to dance around it?

[Insomnya-sargeras]

again, what you miss is that our so-called “premades” are usually 10-15 people out of 40. we don’t generally field 40 man raids.

But what players CAN do is sync que. SO who are you to say we can’t? We manifestly can. And there’s no indications from Blizz that there is a problem with it.

[Insomnya-sargeras]

in your world the only choice is 5 man group or organize a full 40. That leaves out everything we do and makes no sense.

[Alphôn-bleeding-hollow]

@Insomnya-sargeras

But what players CAN do is sync que. SO who are you to say we can’t? We manifestly can. And there’s no indications from Blizz that there is a problem with it.

I never said you couldn’t, I said it’s unrealistic for everyone to do that. Which you keep ignoring. Your solution seems to be, “everyone can do it too!” but again, no, they can’t, for the reasons I’ve listed two times now.

I also said it was unfair against a pug. A sync queue premade vs a pug is unfair. That’s my point. Sure, your group may only do 10-15, but there are others who do full 40s. No matter what you say, you can’t deny that it is unfair, and your solution of “everyone can do it” is again (x2), is unrealistic.

@Insomnya-sargeras

in your world the only choice is 5 man group or organize a full 40.

In my suggestion, the choices would be solo/party queue or raid group queues. Anyone queueing in a raid group, no matter the size, would be put into their own separate queue and would be only paired up against other’s queueing in a raid group. People queueing solo or in parties have the option to serve as backfill to those raid groups.

[Insomnya-sargeras]

your ideas are not terrible at all.

no /s

[Alphôn-bleeding-hollow]

@Insomnya-sargeras

no /s

Care to elaborate why? I thought you wanted to have a discussion.

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

They said your ideas are not terrible. Not being sarcastic. I take that as they agree with you?

[Alphôn-bleeding-hollow]

@Jugaa-arthas

They said your ideas are not terrible. Not being sarcastic.

I know they said that… but I wasn’t sure haha.

[Alaydrica-windseeker]

That’s literally the definition of a preform. Most people queue solo, and a decent percentage queue 2-3. If you are queueing 10-15 into a single BG, you are an outlier, and skewing the outcome of the match massively in your favor by removing a percentage of spots that would usually be filled with people with bad gear, bad talents, and general lack of pvp or objective skill. Blizzard intentionally removed raid queuing for epic BGs, the fact that sync queueing is something you can exploit to get around that, does not mean that blizzard finds it acceptable. It’s simply just not a priority for them because PvP in general is not a priority for them. On the other hand, if streamers were forced to solo queue into constant BG preforms, blizzard would have a fix in a couple of days, just like they did for HC classic “griefers”.

[Aredea-eldrethalas]

it’s not mocking if it’s true lol cry all you want you simply prove you have to go outside of intended game mechanics to win proving that you are not good enough to win without exploiting and you can say it’s not exploiting all you want but it is

[Ashenberry-moon-guard]

@Aredea-eldrethalas

i have won vs a premade a few times because there legit trash

Sometimes premades just make a bad call and have to pay for it. That’s how it goes. I was in a SAS match one time in AV where either Cinco or Meso made a very risky opening call against a pug raid and it failed miserably. They never did it again but we got stomped. Probably the most embarrassing match we were ever in. Was in another where they made a risky opening call in IOC vs Ruthless and he just countered it with ease and we couldn’t recover. It just goes that way sometimes.

[Aredea-eldrethalas]

Well on top of dealing with these scummy people pvp itself needs HUGE changes they need to stop listing to streamers and there man children masses and go back to the basic that worked the game is honestly dying because of bad people and bad leadership

[Lucifury-sulfuras]

Time to just stop queueing random battlegrounds… no point. Make their wait times obnoxious. F-EM

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Insomnya-sargeras

we win in EBG because we are dedicated pvp players with BG leaders who are masters of the game.

Yeah, it’s a premade raid vs. pugs. Or, as you call it, dedicated PvP players and masters of the game vs. pugs.

@Alphôn-bleeding-hollow

these solo/party queues have every right to complain about it. No matter which way you look at it, a pug vs a premade is unfair

^ This.

@Insomnya-sargeras

your post seems to proceed from the premise that no team should have an advantage

No team should have an unfair advantage.

@Alphôn-bleeding-hollow

The fact is, organizing to the degree that Blizzard allows it is fine. They allow you to queue in a maximum of 5 players.

^

@Ashenberry-moon-guard

I was in a SAS match one time in AV where either Cinco or Meso made a very risky opening call against a pug raid and it failed miserably. They never did it again but we got stomped.

Just curious, what risky call lets a premade raid get stomped by pugs?

[Torturekilla-bleeding-hollow]

A zerg or something similar.

[Lovablycurvy-skywall]

Jesus this is still going? Anyone got popcorn?

[Jugaa-arthas (Jugaa)]

This is what happens when the same people bump premade threads lol

[Opalshine-barthilas]

Yeah but its also fun to see the premaders lose their minds and try to defend their pathetic ways