I’ve joined a premade before that cheered for spamming aoe on a flight master and 60 v 2.
I was in an epic where some dude was gloating because they were farming pugs, I asked how many of them were in discord and I got a whisper of 35.
Some of these people think standing in a blob spamming aoe is pvp, some of them have played the same class for 10+ years and only can do a pve aoe rotation.