Don’t fly then? Did you fly? Do you have flying mounts? Have you bought any off the cash shop? Or did you use flying just a teensy little bit? Come on you can tell us.
It’s ok I see you have bought flying mounts from the cash shop…good for you. I’m guessing you never enter airspace on these glorious beasts.
You aren’t prohibited from having flying mounts just because you oppose flying in new expansions.
Flying had its place in TBC and WotLK. In WoD and beyond, not so much. There are no zones where flying is a requirement and you don’t need “these glorious beasts” other than for convenience.
3 Expansions and the best they could come up with is rehashed leveling quests and rares in the first yr of the expansion…
lol. You see I happen to think WOW has this wonderful unique thing called flying that no other MMO had (maybe there is now I don’t know). For me that made WOW stand out from the rest. Instead they are trying to go back to what the rest of the MMO’s are, and that for me is boring.
Blizzard fights against it as something that should not be embraced, and wished they had never introduced it. Rather than embracing it, they make it harder for players to reach the goal, and new players my goodness what a grind. (Of course most experienced players state, oh they don’t need it)
It seems to me that a wonderful thing they brought into the game, has been spoiled by one dev who does not like it, and they think more of raking in the cash by keeping players in the game longer running around on the ground.
Ah yes the good old Modal Scope fallacy. It is a game. NEED has absolutely ZERO to do with it. There is absolutely NO justification ANYONE needs to give to another player for their desire to fly. The anti flyers on the other hand must definitely provide justification for removing or degraded the previous path to player directed flight (thus impairing the use of an item traded for real money on the cash shop which is almost nearly a tort (doesn’t quite reach the standard but its awfully close)).
This boomer was born the year Kennedy was assassinated. Try again Gen-Z
People don’t like classic because it is a no-fly game. People like classic because it is an RPG. Retail isn’t an RPG. It could be argued that flying is part of what hurt the perception of WoW as an RPG, but it is just as easy to argue that the game was always meant to have flying and it just took them until BC to devote the time to develop a world around it. I wouldn’t say that flying hurt the perception of the game as an RPG. All the other elements of classic make it an rpg.
Talents, learning skills, professions that matter, and an attempt at having all quests having some form of narration. Sure killing centaurs isn’t particularly engaging, but they at least gave you a reason in classic. Now it is, “Champion this monster is troublesome.” that is said for about a dozen different quests. “It is a too bad that nuisance couldn’t be used for the Horde.”
Classic isn’t proof that not-flying is better. Classic is proof that people who buy an RPG want to play in an immersive world. I think this logical fallacy is called, “the texas sharpshooter”. Cherry-picking information to suit an argument, or finding a pattern to fit a presumption.
How am I supposed to know who the Twitch personalities are when I don’t even know what Twitch is? Similar to YouTube? Is Tobuscus still a YouTube personailty? Haven’t checked in a while–my kids really loved his songs.
And BTW, I read the first few posts and those that mentioned this person acted like they assume we know what they’re talking about. Sorry, don’t.
I got tired of all the running. I found I was spending far too much time in Classic just running from here to there and not actually, y’know, PLAYING.
Which is what retail feels like when flying is removed. Despite having flight paths and a mount, it still took me an hour yesterday just to collect the five parts of the garrison record player because the map is useless and/or a lie, and so many pieces are behind walls that aren’t marked on the map. A piece is just across the river in the next zone? Sorry, there’s a wall along the entire zone boundary, so you have to ride all the way south to go around it then go all the way north again!
I spent a good twenty minutes just trying to figure out how to get into Skettis, and while I was stuck in the dozens of pockets south of the cliffs, I realized that whoever designed the place was a sadist. No other reason for all those pockets, or all that difficulty and misdirection to just get into a frigging city.
So screw the folks who demand we “experience the content” and “enjoy the scenery” from the ground–I just did it, and it sucks.
It’s the folks who want to remove a necessary function that was in the game without complaint for seven years who are violating the vision of what the game was and what it should be.
Flying is SO necessary that everyone who did Pathfinder is admitting that they’re willing to go through all that just to get it back. I, however, will not knuckle under so easily and, remember, I quit for 4.5 years over flying, which is $810 that Blizzard lost out on…over flying.
Might as well add $270 to that. I wasn’t around for the early WoD debacle, but I came back late in WoD and left about 6 months into Legion after completing Pathfinder part 1. Being unable to fly was no small part of the decision to check out for a year and a half. I’m only back to get a character or two worked up to snuff for Shadowlands.
But if they want to keep me around very long during that expansion at the very least they’re going to have to cave on flight. It doesn’t sound like they’ve really gotten off the AP/Azurite grind. I think Covenants are just going to be the new point grind McGuffin. Something has to give somewhere.
It’s actually world pvp. They’ll try to couch it in buzzwords like “bypassing content” and “player interaction”, but that’s what it ultimately boils down to.
And when they say “World PVP” what they really mean is “The folks who have no interest in interacting with me and being farmed for my enjoyment can escape too easily if they have flight”.
Cheap ganks =/= PVP. If you are looking for a fight, the folks who are down for that will fight you whether they have a flying mount or not.
It’s just people who want to force others to be their content at the expense of their gameplay enjoyment.
It’s unfortunate that they whine so loudly on the forums and happen to align with some of the less visionary devs.
Cata also had disjointed endgame zones which they are about to repeat that mistake in shadowlands.
You aren’t necessarily supposed to know who the current streamers on Twitch are, although the Title of this thread suggests to even the most rudimentary novice that Preach must be a personality of some description as the Title sentence fragment uses the possessive form of his name (Preach’s) which modifies the word stance making Preach the owner of that particular stance. Now if we use that information we can readily understand that Preach is not being used in the verb form of the word but as a Proper noun. Therefore logically one may assume that Preach is someone who has a stance on flying that may be relevant to the Original Posters post. Asking who Preach is here is either:
So, I will take this opportunity to make the assumption that you are new and/or the question is innocently asked by you (rather than the rhetorical variety asked by the other poster) and point out again that this is probably not the best place to discover answers to that question. Again Google would be a good starting point. Youtube would be an even better one as he does commentary/vlog/blog videos that might give you insight on his positions. I myself prefer Heelvsbabyface and TheQuartering and BellularGaming/News channels on Youtube myself but thats just me.
It’s a business decision. They feel like they will lose less players by continuing to include pathfinder than if they were to remove it and everyone had the option to skip boring/unnecessary time gates. There are so many things to do in game it’s crazy. Unfortunately most of the things to do are poor quality and boring.
If BFA were a brand new IP without any sense of past attachments and loyalty, it would have been the first and last entry; no way a sequel would be greenlit because nobody would play this garbage
Which is odd if true (there is testimony to the contrary by the devs that this is not the case so it depends on how much credulity you invest in them I suppose as to whether or not to take them at their word) as world PvP is not a factor that affects the entirety of the game population. Today it only affects those who have turned on War Mode and the answer in that place is simple: Don’t allow flying in War Mode if that is actually an issue (I rather believe it is not but that’s a personal opinion). For everyone else the problem isn’t world pvp since those outside of War Mode are not engaging in world pvp so what is the answer there?
So he is a streamer, not someone affiliated with Blizzard or having any more impact on the game than any other player? Great, I can unfollow this thread and focus on flying threads Blizzard has as much chance of reading as this one (and it’s us giving our feedback to Blizzard, not us … talking about someone else’s feedback who isn’t on the site?)
And it looks like the devs are getting a bit sensitive because topics about flying keep disappearing.
Good, get more sensitive. Shutting us up won’t make the anger and resentment go away. We’ll just quit for a few more years and rob you of a couple hundred more dollars.
Once flying was introduced in Burning Crusade, Blizzard gave up the position of sticking us on the ground. Pathfinder was a nice change to promote us exploring the world to be able to fly, but the time it gets introduced is nothing short of annoying at the very least, as it’s towards the death knell of the expansion, which gets under everyone’s skin.
Make pathfinder simple, and possible to get at the start. Don’t make it something you’re forced to do out of your way outside of normal play!
Level 1 character of each faction to max level(One Horde and one Alliance character to max level).
Explore the entire map for the expansion as available at launch.
A phase 2 can be added to include exploring the subsequent zones added at the end of the expansion, maybe raise the new zone’s dominant reputation to revered.
Honestly, Pathfinder was a good idea, it’s just not been properly executed yet.