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i loled at the end when he mention that as well he sounded very paranoid to me when he said that.

Honestly can not stand that man’s voice in the future can you please add more description so I don’t have to endure watching that or at least a time stamp so I can just watch that segment?

That said yeah Guilds feel more gutted every expansion.

anyone who agrees with that man, has their opinion automatically written off. he is just trying to stir up trouble with an imaginary boogeyman so he can assign blame to someone other than Blizzard.

It wasnt Blizzard, it was “those people”.

Where? Not in US general discussion. As far as i can tell that is just being made up out of whole cloth, perhaps its a Europe thing since that is where Preach actually plays.

Im not saying thats whats happening in this thread and im not saying that everyone that disagrees with a video is like that, but there are some people (not gonna call anyone out) that as soon as I see their name I know their here to disagree with the op even though they were for what the op said yesterday in a different thread that was against it.

i have never seen anyone wanting guilds to be abolished

raiding and guilds are the only sacred cows in WoW. if this game survives for another 10 years, i would bet all my things that raiding is still the “end game”

you’d have to be sipping some weird koolaid to think they are under attack.

I understand your opinion but I still disagree with it. I don’t want to give them a single view, comment or like/dislike. It is really no different then not watching a movie/TV with someone in it you don’t like or listening to a song. I don’t want to engage them on any level.

Nor do I believe they “deserve” the publicity talking about them gives. Yes, they love the game but they also making a living doing this. This is their job not some passion project where they donate most the money they make to charity. And I am not talking about Charity at the club with the really high heeled shoes.

If people want to talk about the points in a video they could at least post those points in their OP. Linking a video is just being lazy at the least or them fishing for views/ publicity for their favorite youtuber at the worst.

New info for me to look into .Thanks op.

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Your belief is assumption though. “I am of the belief that the people most complaining about removal of master loot were in guilds where they benefited from more than their fair share of drops because of their group gear composition”. Where is your proof for that statement? Have you interviewed hundreds of guild members? To assume is to suppose to be the case, without proof. Which is exactly what you are doing.

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It’s funny but everyone I saw praising the removal of masterlooter was a lfr hero that had never even stepped foot into a actual raid with a guild…but I guess there was a lot of ninja looting in lfr oh wait…

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you know thoose people at work that have been there 20 30 years that talk about back in the day. how it’s all bad now this and that. they hate thier job now. reminds me of thoose people.
ive been my job 15 plus years. so many changes happen. you just got to go with them. or move on

You are asking me to prove my belief. My statement is proof enough that I believe that. You really need to understand a bit of what you are reading.

That’s what you got out of that? I’m not asking you to prove your belief, I’m saying that it is an assumption since it’s just your own thoughts (with no proof or research to back up your claim, which is the definition of assume). I’m also not attacking you, I’m simply saying that you’re right to point out that people make assumptions, but also you yourself aren’t immune to that hubris. As I said before, it’s something to at least think about.

So if someone says they believe in God, you are claiming they are making an assumption about his existence.

I am pretty sure given the nature of your arguments that you will say yes and all I have to say to you that isn’t the conventional meaning of belief and assumption and I am getting bored of this argument so will go and play the game - bye.

Assumption and religious faith are two very different things. Believers have faith in his existence. Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

And there you go making assumptions again. Open your mind to other possibilities.

This concept of fighting or removing Guilds is ridiculous. WoW endgame is inherently a group activity and has been for 14 year, it is also build on the premise of being an MMO. It is not a solo-player game, though large portions of the game can be solo content. Guilds are an integral part of the social experience of the game and form the backbone of completing endgame content for hundreds of thousands of players.

If you can’t be bothered to recognize that you’re in a bad guild and leave it; that’s the players fault, not Blizzards. One of the best things you can do as a player, is to find a group of like-minded players who share the same goal and want to progress in similar content.

Simply put, the flaws with guilds are player driven; not developer design. Blizzard can’t fix people acting like people. Leave and find a constructive group to play with. To remove Guilds would significantly degrade endgame for hundreds of thousands of player, who enjoy their guild

This is such a hilarious and obvious cop-out argument I see people make.

The reason why people say this is so you can take the really good points of what’s said by Preach or whoever it may be and dilute it down to a few points that you can easily strawman by making us use a talking point that’s less than what the video was trying to convey.

Although I do agree on one thing, and it’s that the OP never even bothered linking the video in the first place. Now that we have nice and new forums, you can literally watch the video from here.

Did the OP from my phone on the throne mate.

It’s not a cop-out at all. I come to the forums to read people’s thoughts and opinions. If the sum total of their thoughts is “Preach said some things I really agree with” then why engage with them? They don’t have anything useful to add. If I wanted to follow Preach, I would.

If there’s something they want to discuss, they need to state it for discussion. Otherwise, as happened in this thread and every other similar thread, people focus on whoever the YouTube celebrity is rather than on the point the OP should be conveying.

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Blanket statement that actually dismisses people’s thots and opinions. Sounds like you have LOADS of friends