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[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

LOL perfect.

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

It was a problem in some guilds as well and believe it or not people can actually think something blizzard does is right every once in a while.

If you stick around a guild that is abusing you, then you deserve a smidge of the blame. You helped enable that guild’s abuse. I’m not saying that the guild wasn’t in the wrong, but any sensible person would leave a guild after multiple instances of unfair loot practices and/or abuse.

It was a huge assumption that only people who do LFR like personal loot

Fair point.

I am of the belief that the people most complaining about removal of master loot were in guilds where they benefited from more than their fair share of drops because of their group gear composition.

And then you start making assumptions yourself. Perhaps, like your own previous example, this assumption isn’t quite as correct as you think? Just a thought.

[Byniri-zangarmarsh (Byniri)]

People need to stop going “lul he’s a youtuber/streamer so his opinion doesn’t matter” and watch the video, he’s reasonable and has some fantastic points.

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

He makes some good points and then he ruins it by tightening his tin foil hat and going on rants…

[Sacrosànct-frostmourne (Sacrosànct)]

There’s been more than a few “guilds don’t matter anymore” posts around the place lately. Maybe I just expect the worst but after 14 years it becomes pretty easy to spot the direction this trend will go in. It will start with people saying blizzard are “wasting my sub money on development of a tool that no-one uses.”

[anon68506884]

They can’t destroy what they have no control over. My mains guild is 990 and we’re going strong and no one whines about master loot.

[Bassets-whisperwind (Bassets)]

There were probably two things that prompted the removal of the master loot system. The first was the move from 10 man raids to flex raids. This changed raids from the old 10 man guild runs to a hybred raid made up of guildies and pugs.

The second thing that played a role was when blizzard created their group finder, and made raiding cross server. This meant more people who did not have relationships would be raiding together. Creating a bigger chance of loot discontent. There were complaints on the forum about how loot was distributed, and I am sure that blizzard received a ton of complaints from players who pugged a raid only to have loot ninja’d from them because they were either not part of the guild, or didn’t meet some standard the leader of the group set up.

The technology was there to personalize loot for each individual, so they went with that technology. I guess if you want to blame someone, you should blame the people who ninja’d loot from unsuspecting pugs.

[anon68506884]

But those are all valid counters. I don’t care what this guy said I still love the game and am looking forward to 8.1

[Bassets-whisperwind (Bassets)]

But those are all valid counters. I don’t care what this guy said I still love the game and am looking forward to 8.1

I personally like the personal loot system. It removed the headaches that master loot brought. As a raid leader, I have better things to deal with than people who are upset because of the loot system.

I think there is work that needs to be done on both shadow and elemental, and I am hoping that the fixes next week help make both specs viable. My poor elemental main is in storage and it makes me sad. I have had to work really hard to get what I want out of the shadow priest, and really, I’m tired of having to spend the zul fight dispelling

[Powerbottom-zuljin]

I personally like the personal loot system. It removed the headaches that master loot brought. As a raid leader, I have better things to deal with than people who are upset because of the loot system.

Sorry, but I really disagree with this. I you didn’t want to deal with loot, make an officer do it. If your guild would rather just run personal, just run personal.

The problem is the removal of choice for EVERY player, when personal loot or a separate loot officer/council were still viable options for you.

[Cyouskin-stormreaver (Cyous)]

you didn’t want to deal with loot, make an officer do it. If your guild would rather just run personal, just run personal.

The problem is the removal of choice for EVERY player, when personal loot or a separate loot officer/council were still viable options for you.

Myself and many, many of my friends agree with this sentiment.

[Méo-azjolnerub (Méo)]

Why would anyone think that guilds should be abolished? That makes absolutely no sense. /shrug

If you don’t want to be in a guild, don’t join one. But don’t take guilds away from people who actually want to be part of one. That proposal is so incredibly stupid, it didn’t deserve to be even mentioned in the video.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

I personally like the personal loot system. It removed the headaches that master loot brought. As a raid leader, I have better things to deal with than people who are upset because of the loot system.

Yeah? Well now I have to deal with upset people because of PL and forging working against each other. What a trade…

[Powerbottom-zuljin]

Yeah? Well now I have to deal with upset people because of PL and forging working against each other. What a trade…

Kind of impressed you have people left to actually work with…

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

We actually have 2 teams running in the guild right now. Both in Mythic so we’re doing well enough. Its definitely been rough though. Already hard enough trying to raid Mythic as Alliance.

[Powerbottom-zuljin]

Already hard enough trying to raid Mythic as Alliance.

Faction imbalance only gonna get worse I’m afraid =(

[anon17395409]

This is exactly what I said earlier, some people choose not to support them in the form of advertising because it goes against their stance. So why would they watch a video on YouTube or someone’s Twitch channel.

It’s not because you dislike the person but your viewpoints are different than theirs, which is fine. There is nothing wrong with watching a YouTube video though because in my opinion views are only one factor. You can either like or dislike anyone’s video and possibly leave a comment explaining why. I want to believe that you’re not helping their exposure by disliking their video. It’s a video sharing social network in a sense similar to forums.

If you ever stumble upon a Twitch channel of a current WoW streamer the odds of that person disliking the game because of x reason will be high right now and choose that platform to have an open discussion which can sometimes be positive and civil with good points or flat out negativity. A lot of these people’s videos on YouTube are just their Twitch recordings. So in Twitch is just another form of social networking that fosters a community with their own opinions. Just like how the WoW forums are.

Talking about them is still giving them the publicity in which I feel they earned. They deserve it because these are the vocal majority that genuinely love this game and will publicly speak on it knowing they will get flak for it by someone because they don’t feel the same way about x issue currently affecting the game.

We can all agree to disagree at the end of the day.

[Powerbottom-zuljin]

Reading thru some of the comments on the video. Class design, class design, mater looter, class design, filler expack, class design, just legion with more prune, class design, no character progression, and too casual.

So, is that the same 100 people just up voting everyone’s comment? Or is class design that big of an issue?

[Astrae-mannoroth (Astrae)]

The best thing about PL is that I no longer have to watch my bonus roll timer expire while the loot council decides whether or not I should get those leggings.

[Amine-blackwater-raiders (Amine)]

I could watch it but then I would be thinking in the back of my mind - how can people not see all the holes in his argument. That is what always happens in these situations.