Pre-1.10 Alterac Valley

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Heres another vote for pre 1.10 av

Also melee hunter needs to be brought back in all its glory, I don’t know why people are disparaging it, let us have the bleed at 31 in survival instead of that wyvern whateverthef#(k that sucks and does not fit with the rest of the tree

Yeah I am going to go ahead and ask you to stop spamming this crap in every thread.

And yes, spamming on alts counts.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

What is this “we” garbage? I for one NEVER want it to slide back into race mode. No way that repeating the same mistakes makes sense.

[Fientalton-dunemaul]

no alt here guy, more than one person has this opinion on survival hunters being melee (they were like the original avoidance off tank), leveled one on a pserver and wished the whole time I could’ve gotten that extra melee ability instead of going deep bm (had allot of fun 1v1ing everyone except warriors in melee)

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Bull. Your one forum post on this character was spewing the same off topic hunter stuff in a thread about another subject entirely. Exactly what the other characters posts were.

[Fientalton-dunemaul]

yeah its called a shared opinion but whatever put your head in the sand its ok

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

yeah its called a shared opinion but whatever put your head in the sand its ok

survival was never a melee spec.

could you mostly melee in pvp? ya cause everyone was trying to get to your deadzone and you could suprise them.

in pve though mobs are hitting the tank so it takes some of the procs that make the spec work out. youll do quite a bit more dmg at ranged like a good hunter.

i remember people playing it as a melee spec and failing and making the mistake of not using over half of the tools they have at their fingertips as a hunter.

its not a melee spec.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Heres another vote for pre 1.10 av

Also melee hunter needs to be brought back in all its glory, I don’t know why people are disparaging it, let us have the bleed at 31 in survival instead of that wyvern whateverthef#(k that sucks and does not fit with the rest of the tree

Add Hunter Pet normalization and Melee Hunters there too.

Point is, if you want to change one thing then it opens the door for other changes.

You can’t just change one thing and leave other things unchanged. If you change AV then you must also be willing to restore Hunter pets to their original state, and return Survival to it’s melee roots.

But yes, I agree to changing AV, just like I agree to changing Hunter pets or Survival to it’s original state. Just know what you are asking for when you request changes.

Yeah, you are totally two separate players spouting off about off topic survival hunter changes in the AV and other threads that are not talking about hunters.

“sharing opinions”

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

honestly if it ever were a real melee spec i wouldnt care if they did it as it would be something in the timeline of vanilla.

the hunter pet normalization is something i feel shouldnt be in the game. so i am with you on that one.

asking for changes though that fall in the 1.1-1.12 vanilla patch cycle are valid in my eyes.

make a thread and gather support.

i will say though they probably dont have the patch data that had your lacerate talent in the talent tree.

[Rockheart-aegwynn]

Another vote for 1.7 or before AV. To the poster (I think it was Cheater, this is a long thread) saying they wanted the version that got them the best rewards the quickest way possible, that kind of selfish attitude is toxic and doesn’t belong in classic. You even said you hated AV so why not do the classy thing and let the people who love it have the version they want? Classic is going to be static, so what if it takes a couple extra weeks to get your cookie? Also as a side note, I hate your opinions and your debate skills/argument style Ziryus.

[Rockheart-aegwynn]

If we used patch 1.5 AV as a baseline, these are things that I think should be included:

• Each team will now gain additional bonus honor if their towers are not destroyed by the end of the map. The more towers that remained intact, the more honor received.

• Korrak the Bloodrager has gained immunities to many different spell and ability effects.

• Players of Revered or higher reputation may now call offensive air strikes if they have managed to rescue their respective Wing Commanders.

• If you manage to keep your faction’s Captain alive for the duration of a battle, you will be granted extra points upon victory.

• Fixed a bug that would cause players to stand up when a turnin was made in Alterac Valley.

• In order to keep teams in Alterac Valley more numerically balanced, players will now enter Alterac Valley on a one-for-one basis (i.e. if there are 30 players in the battleground for each side with 10 players in the Alliance queue and 2 players in the Horde queue, only two players from each team will be added, bringing the total to 32 per side).

• The Frostwolf Relief Hut now has appropriate guards.

Not sure about this one:

• Graveyards and graveyard capture points are now at different locations. The banners players must interact with in order to capture a graveyard have been distanced from each other somewhat in order to alleviate “graveyard zerging” and make graveyards more meaningful to both defense and offense.

• Several terrain changes were made to fix some geometry exploits as well as to adjust for the new graveyard mechanic.

• The default graveyards in Alterac Valley for each side were moved further up the tunnels away from the battleground exit. This should prevent accidentally leaving the battleground.

• Tower Banners in Alterac Valley can no longer be used through walls.

Also, we’d obviously want the Field of Strife to be full of NPC’s and there to be the minefield. If they work their way back from 1.12 AV, it’s going to be a lot of work and is going to require a lot of input from the Classic community. If they somehow managed to start from 1.5 AV, it’s going to require a lot of bug testing and input on what should be included from later patches to improve on it.

There’s probably more that would have to be discussed and/or tested but this is how you provide feedback.

This is the best post in this thread. Thank you for your input.

[Mohnium-mannoroth]

the point of the pve targets is that it gave players from both sides something to fight over, its one of the few things that equaled pvp due to pve

[Bizzel-nazjatar (Bizzel)]

they are not holding a poll to see what people want changed to an older patch. its just 1.12 with some new features

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

they are not holding a poll to see what people want changed to an older patch. its just 1.12 with some new features

They specifically stated they wanted us to discuss what versions of vanilla elements we thought to be best.

[Bizzel-nazjatar (Bizzel)]

they always say stuff like that, then they ignore it and do what they want internally

besides the original announcement, when has blizzard said anything about reverting something to a previous patch?

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

they always say stuff like that, then they ignore it and do what they want internally

besides the original announcement, when has blizzard said anything about reverting something to a previous patch?

They said they wanted us to discuss various patches AFTER the original announcement. Dude seriously, what is your agenda in here?

If all you have to contribute is bad info and a lack of desire for a discussion about the topic, save your fingers and just move on.

[Bizzel-nazjatar (Bizzel)]

maybe i like the 1.12 version? you make it sound like having an “agenda” is bad, even though thats what you are doing

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Maybe give some insight about why you like 1.12 and how much experience you have with the earlier versions such that you do not like them.

[Bizzel-nazjatar (Bizzel)]

sure, the old version took too long. its that simple really

im fine with them lasting an hour or two, but not several days

[Oldallagala-frostwolf (Oldallagala)]

Same, I wouldn’t mind what version they choose to go as I do honestly love both versions, BUT… I feel like the ‘older’ version would get reaaaaallllyyy boring reaaaalllllllyyyy fast. Just like it did back then too. It was just endless turtle fest of constant group mass fights. Plus the new AV still had all that, it just didn’t last literal days and it lasted more like an hour or two at most which I think is perfect.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Same, I wouldn’t mind what version they choose to go as I do honestly love both versions, BUT… I feel like the ‘older’ version would get reaaaaallllyyy boring reaaaalllllllyyyy fast. Just like it did back then too. It was just endless turtle fest of constant group mass fights. Plus the new AV still had all that, it just didn’t last literal days and it lasted more like an hour or two at most which I think is perfect.

If they did not have MoHs, would you care if you were not there at the completion of the BG?

The odd thing is that for as many call it a PVE fest, their goal seems to be the PVE end and state a dislike for the PVE element. It makes me strongly suspect that the only goal is this rewards.

A number indeed lasted for days back then, but that was not nearly common. They simply stick in memories because they were outliers.

sure, the old version took too long. its that simple really

im fine with them lasting an hour or two, but not several days

Why did you feel you couldnt simply leave after an hour or two? Were you not getting rep or honor as you played?