Pre-1.10 Alterac Valley

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It has nothing to do with the rewards that makes me prefer it. I just simply didn’t like massive group fights that seemed endless. I love group fights! But when they don’t seem to be rewarding in terms of “WE WIPED THEM NOW WE GET XX” it just seems like endlessly slamming into each other and I personally don’t find that fun for an extended period of time. I don’t like leaving bgs but with how old AV works I would probably rarely finish one. Which is fine, I just personally prefer the other way.

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I came too late for original AV, so I never go to experience it. Therefore, I’d surely love to.

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i like bgs because i either win or lose in one sitting then i move on to the next thing. i dont get to feel like i won if the match goes on for days

the original AV would have been interesting as some sort of on going out door event, like tarren mill vs south shore but with objectives. i wonder if that has anything to do with why they put it in the same area, but decided it worked better as an instance

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Back in the day that is precisely how I saw AV. It was as close as you could get to a SS v TM battle that was ongoing. However it benefitted from more strict level bracket and actual objectives. Once it slid toward a race is when it felt like just another contrived box.

PVE had dungeons versus raids.
PVP had AB/WSG versus AV.
Turning raid content into a dungeon is akin to how they turned AV into a diminished BG like AB/WSG. Having one BG for the people who WANT loooong PVP content was a good thing.

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The ‘race’ thing didn’t happen until TBC from my experience. Even early TBC wasn’t much of a race but mid to late that is exactly what it turned into. This is partly because they didn’t buff the mobs enough to keep up with the increased health/damage/healing we received from going from vanilla>tbc. Archers were a joke, galv was a joke, and in very late tbc all of AV was a joke. I remember being in a T6 guild and I would ask the tank to que with us for however many games I needed to get the marks I needed and just spam STRAIGHT TO DREK STRAIGHT TO DREK HEAL ‘MINITANK’. AV games literally lasted however long it took to ran to drek and kill him.

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I came too late for original AV, so I never go to experience it. Therefore, I’d surely love to.

Hear Hear!

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im bumping this post since it needs to be discussed still

also week long battles were my favorite part, made it feel like a BATTLEground instead of a dumb race

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If you want quickie win/lose PvP, then go play AB/WSG. They will be there and available for that very thing forever.

For old, long AV, being in the battle and grinding rep will eventually get you the epic rep rewards. I would know, I did it on four different characters and had a blast the whole way through. It wasn’t originally designed to be a quick game where you grind your rep fast and get the epics in a few days…in fact, it was still faster to reach exalted in old AV than WSG/AB.

Getting old AV right is a big deal for a lot of us. It was perhaps the most unique thing about vanilla WoW, because there’s literally been nothing like it ever since Blizzard nerfed it into the crappy PvE racing version.

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if we get the new AV i will play it, if not i wont very often. you sound like you are sure we will the old one

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We’re not sure what were getting but the majority seen to want old av

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This is the ultimate solution, but it requires effort from people.

For a while, there was an add-on available that would attempt to queue all groups in the raid at the same time for a single AV instance.

You’ve never played World of Warcraft until you’ve played in a pre-made AV, where each group in the raid had specific responsibilities and the battlegrounds natural chokepoints and mechanics were taken full advantage of. There is no zerging the final boss when Ice Blood is choked off, towers / bunkers are guarded, and a strike team is roaming around raiding and back capping.

It’s a shame that the game doesn’t facilitate a pre-made raid to join a raid level BG. THAT is why the NPCs were effective at doing the job of slowing down progress…not the optimal way to go about it, but much more effective than trying to rally a group of random people at the start of a BG.

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Pre 1.10 AV will still be a zerg in that both sides will mostly race to the end, even if it takes longer than the retail version. There are diminishing returns on honorable kills–25% before 1.12, 10% after. After about an hour of actual heavy pvp in there, the honor grinds to a halt, and most everyone will want the game to end. Everyone will race north/south to the enemy base, by any means necessary (including corpse running to the captured GY closest to the enemy base). The days long AV will never happen again, regardless of the AV patch state. Those only happened because the players hadn’t yet realized they were wasting their time.

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I always got immense enjoyment out of stopping the zerg, oddly enough quite a few Horde would join in stopping the zerg also. My fellow horde got so good at stopping the zerg… the Alliance started a boycott of AV LOL (this was after classic though).

All I will need are five to ten Horde to kill a zerg in old AV. I can hardly wait…:smiling_imp:

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I’ve already thought too much today at work. The only thing I have to say is: All Hail Vanilla AV

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Of course back capping and defending will still happen, and it will be done with the purpose of maximizing honor, particularly with premades. It just won’t take all day.

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1.7/1.6 AV is the best, it has a ton of NPC’s and gathering stuff is just great, it’s also not a bad way to get some money depending on how on one server i played on every orc tooth was worth like 20 silver because of how exp turned into money with 1.11

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Continuing my support for pre-1.10 AV.

CLASSIC Alterac Valley is not 1.12

1.12 removed the E from PvPvE

I made this thread two months ago. The news about 1.12 is very disappointing. Old AV was a big part of Classic and a lot of people were excited to finally get to experience it.

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Same :man_farmer:

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