Casual players keep the game alive. New players don’t log on forums and cry. Design the game for the silent majority, not just a few crying babies on the forums.
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Then you wouldn’t want them to add LFR. You would want them to add non-raiding things for those Casual and new players to do… That is kind of the issue retail has had… you knowing funneling everyone in a few specific end-game tracks… Doing that causes people that don’t actually care about those things to quit… This has been express multiple times by people.
LFR is not necessary in Cata; it will be introduced in MoP, where it can be better utilized for the legendary quest chain. LFR serves no purpose. Its absence has not prevented the majority of players from completing normal difficulty raids for the last 12+ months.
so then its inclusion won’t change anything or mess anything up and there’s no reason to not add it when DS drops again
10 man normal is there for the casual players. Lfr is the afk difficulty and we don’t need it.
It will though.
It will reduce normal raid participation even more, it will be spammed by top end guilds the firstfew weeks for faster teir sets, which disrupts the heroic progression, and this effect trickels down to normal mode as well, making teir sets come out much faster there which effects normal mode progression as well. For those that still do it.
It would undoubtedly impact the game. High-end heroic raiders, such as myself, would be compelled to carry players through that on all of our characters (for me, that’s five characters) every week while also completing heroic clears five times a week. Additionally, we would be forced to compete for those key items (tier and trinkets) with casual players.
The only way for LFR to not impact the game would be for it to share a lockout with normal and heroic difficulties, which would be the best solution. Heroic raiders would not be required to run LFR since it would lock them out of heroic raid content. Which would have a greater impact on the casual players since they would benefit from the better players hard carrying them? This is how LFR should be dealt with in MoP since its really a catch-up mechanic for the legendary questline.
This would also increase the life span and progression timeline for heroic raiders as well.
This will also reduce the number of players engaging in normal raid content, which is intended for casual players.
Agreed. If its in, it should share the lockout to avoid that issue.
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oh no, heroic raiders will run the raid one more time each week per character.
you aren’t a high end raider, you buy a carry from your own guild.
run it with your guild. bam the problem has now been solved, you don’t have to “carry casuals” and no longer have to compete with them against your items since you can just buy them as usual
Glad to see that we can finally agree on something.
I raid in a GDKP guild. Clearly you don’t know how GDKPs work.
most of the top tier player’s will have this raid cleared day 1 anyway so what does it matter if its added.
It will 100% be added soon enough… 
yeah, in mop where it serves a real purpose. Not adding LFR would change nothing. The game would remain as it is currently.
Who exactly is compelling you to do anything in the game and how exactly are they compelling you? Are you being threatened with violence or is someone going to fire you from your job or have they kidnapped you kids or your wife? I just don’t see how you’re being compelled to do anything in the game.
If LFR were added and did not share a lockout with normal and heroic raids, heroic raiders such as myself would be required to participate in LFR for several reasons.
- Gear Optimization: Despite offering lower-tier gear compared to heroic raids, certain items like trinkets or tier set bonuses are beneficial. Raiders would run LFR to optimize their gear as quickly as possible.
- Set Bonuses: Completing tier sets can provide significant bonuses that enhance performance. Since LFR provides pieces that are difficult to obtain in heroic raids, raiders would run LFR to complete their sets faster.
- Competition: In a competitive raiding environment, every advantage counts. Raiders would run LFR to stay ahead or keep up with other guilds.
- Guild Requirements: Guilds require their members to run LFR to ensure everyone is as well-geared as possible for heroic progression.
That’s not a requirement. It’s a choice.
again, a choice. It’s not necessary that players complete their sets faster or as quickly as possible.
If you want to stay ahead of other guilds you’re free to do that but it’s a choice. It’s not necessary for you to compete with other guilds.
If you don’t have fun doing that you need to find a guild that’s more in line with how you want to play the game. I was in guilds after lfr was added and none of them required me to do lfr. My guilds “required” enchants, jewels, flasks, but I wanted to do those things. If you’re unhappy with what your guild requires find one that only requires the things you want to do.
You are correct; joining this guild was a voluntary decision, and continuing to adhere to the requirements I agreed to upon joining is also a choice. Every reputable guild has requirements, and individuals choose to follow and abide by them when they join. The requirements in my guild are established for a reason. Your guild has its own requirements that you choose to follow or not follow. However, adding LFR would create additional work for me and my army of alts. Therefore, if Blizzard added LFR and made it share a lockout with normal and heroic modes, it would not be a negative change. But that is a different topic.
That’s the choice you’re making. But you asking for lfr to not be added or changed because it’s making more work for you would be like someone asking that enchants not be added because it makes more work for them. Or for cooking to not be added because it makes more work for them. Cooking isn’t necessary. Every raid can be completed without the small buff you get from eating specialty food. The game shouldn’t be designed just for you or for the small number of hard core raiders but for the greatest number of players.
LFR isn’t in the game right now, so not adding it in the last phase won’t change anything. LFR gear is weaker than Heroic Firelands gear.
LFR drops 384 gear, while Heroic Firelands drops 391 gear.
The last two bosses in Dragon Soul drop 390 gear, and Heroic Ragnaros drops 397 gear, which you can get from the H+ Vendor. So, we don’t need LFR.
we don’t currently know what all we will get from a vendor.
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