Explain why personal loot has a problem.
he already explained in the original post why its bad. or did you not read?
Need before Greed HAS been exploited years on end⌠If you played the game back then you would agree.
Honestly this sounds ridiculous. If people canât emotionally handle a loot roll they have bigger issues that need to be addressed.
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The only time it was exploited was when someone actually was able to convince the rest of the group to pass so they could roll with /roll
Or if you were a hunter and needed on everything hence where the meme âhunter lootâ came from.
Edit - it was loot not weapon xD
Clearly you cant understand wordsâŚ
What? I have personally seen this busted junk screw people over countless times, even as recently in TBC Classic where I raided during it. Just like you pointed out, seen hunters roll on daggers because, ehh âHunter Lootâ. Seen guilds get very upset because you Rolled NEED on a tier chest, when they think you should get the chest from a raid they are no longer raiding instead⌠It causes DRAMAâŚ
Because if any system prevents me from helping my friends, itâs an issue.
That wouldnât have been a problem you still had you loot regardless if the rng wasnât that bad and those that were greedy not sharing the loot. Man, humanity is the worse.
And this is going to be fixed in the new GL. Hunters canât roll on everything anymore, they are putting new rules into what loot the game allows you to roll need for. Even going as far as splitting need rolls from Need: Main spec & Need: Off spec > Greed.
And if a guild is getting P.O. at you for rolling Need on a tier piece, maybe its time to find a new guild.
Are you saying you can not help your friends now??? I mean I often switch specs to try to help stack the odds in a friends favor if they are needing a healer/mele trinket or weapon all the time⌠How is Personal Loot stopping YOU from helping your friend? Because if you do not know, GROUP LOOT will be a random drop of ALL the possible item types from that bosses loot table, even if you do not have a player in that raid that wants or needs an item.
When you all start raiding and realize half the time only CLOTH gear drops for a full lockout, or only PLATE drops and the tanks are already fully geared up⌠Do not say I didnt warn yaâŚ
No, it is a problem. Weâll use small numbers for the sake of argument. In an organized group setting, this situation happened a lot.
I have an item level 100 item. Weâll say itâs a cloak. My cloak is properly itemized for me.
My buddy has an item level 85 cloak. His is also properly itemized for him.
A cloak drops and is item level 105. It is badly itemized for me, but properly itemized for my friend. If I get the cloak though, I cannot trade it because it is too high an item level despite being in zero fashion an upgrade for me but being a massive upgrade for him.
Under no circumstance. Ever. In any situation. In any setting. Under any ruleset. Is the above okay. End of discussion. Personal loot was incredibly flawed in this way.
Read the above.
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That I agree with and is IMHO the only issue with Personal Loot⌠That is what we all wanted removed. NOT going over to group loot.
And people begged for the alternative to personal loot, including letting people hide the loot they won but removing trade restrictions in guild groups. Those same people were told âno, people will abuse itâ so now weâre going to group loot. It is what it is.
It isnât that is rng ,if we didnât have it we wouldnât be having the argument in the first place. Itâs Blizzard problem and they know it .
So now they take the one loot that single person in a guild raid setting wouldnât get loot in a pug,nice going there. If this group loot isnât a form of master loot whoes in charge with this loot then?
Everyone knows if thereâs a hunter in the group, everyone should be hitting need every time!
Thatâs a guild you should be happy to take your new tier chest and bounce from. The system showed you their true colors.
Alternative as in an OPTION, options are good mâkay kids⌠Drugs bad, donât do drugs⌠MâkayâŚ
Personally I never seen a single argument on the forums or anywhere else that matter where people explicitly said they wanted to go back to Group Loot⌠What people said is they wanted the restrictions removed and for blizz to improve the loot dropsâŚ
One of those is like asking for sprinkles on your ice cream, the other is getting a scoop of cow crap insteadâŚ
Agreed and I did⌠Another reason I am not going back to classic no matter how wonderful I remember Wrath being the first go around.
Itâs irrelevant whoâs in charge.
Letâs be clear on a couple of things.
⢠People who are so hellbent on arguing against this, as I said earlier, are the same people who tried to tell the people (like me) asking for options earlier tough, people will âabuse itâ without any evidence.
⢠It doesnât matter âwhoâs in chargeâ involving this new form of loot. What matters is that organized group settings can finally be more transparent with one another and can finally assist their friends and guild mates without stupid item level restrictions.
⢠People in this thread and others involving loot do everything imaginable to absolve themselves of personal responsibility. Letâs be clear with one another â if you join a guild or a group in which loot is not being handled fairly, you should leave. If you stay, you are reinforcing their behavior and you are telling them thatâs okay. They are wrong for mishandling loot and being incorrect with it. You are just as wrong for keeping yourself in a crappy environment.
This new attempt at loot based on the blue post is basically going to be personal loot with some tweaks, more transparency, safety measures, and no restrictions. Until weâve had time to adequately test it in live environments, thereâs no reason for people to be acting silly over it.
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That is if it is a fair value but in wow state it isnât no matter how you cut a cake itâs going to be a slice bigger for some less for others.
With some of this I agree on but just because they say itâs is group loot and fair doesnât mean it is and most likely you find out too late that it isnât. So you wish a person at the end of a boss to find out it isnât geesh,then leave what a waste of time and effort.
Personal loot is less of an headache to manage then group loot is stop and sorting is wasting time too.
Oh btw ,does this mean people could pass all loot to people the pay for the gear hmm. Iâll bet that why people wish it was group loot so people wouldnât get any.
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With an easily swappable UI option so you can main spec dps gear on bosses that drop dps gear, and main spec tank on bosses that drop tank gear.
You wonât be rolling need in any kind of serious guild. Youâll be hitting pass and waiting for council.
I completely disagree. As a guild master, every single time I hear this situation, I despise it.
Member A: âHey! I donât need this! Does anyone else?â
Member B: âOh, yes please!â
Member A: âWord, lemme trade! Here ya â oh. Never mind. I canât trade it cause itâs five item level higher. Sorry.â
Member B: âAh. Itâs okay. Thanks anyway.â
I would take every single hassle of group loot and managing people and helping them figure out what to do than ever listen to the above situation again because it is outright dejecting.
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