I don’t mind vote kick, I mind deserter.
Like what happened to me earlier. 7th boss in LFR bugged, people started leaving and being replaced mid fight, got down to 2 people still inside the raid with the rest of us not able to zone in. Eventually one person left and there was this moron sitting inside the raid refusing to leave and just holding everyone else up, and not just a single raid group, people were coming and going constantly while this dude held everyone up forcing people to leave and get a deserter.
I don’t mind vote kick, I mind deserter. I will take a few trolls getting repeatedly kicked over innocent players getting deserter for undeserved reasons. It’s better for 10 deserving people to not get it than 1 innocent person get it.
That could be a different kind of phasing. Those you generally need to speak to Zidormi for. There could be a quest in someones log interfering with the phase. I wouldn’t call that a “bug” per se. Annoying, yes. Not saying it couldn’t be a bug, but It’s definitely not like the instance bugs people are experiencing.
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I got into the same dungeon again on my hunter.
The problem wasn’t there.
I don’t know about everyone else, but its still weird regardless.
Here is the thing though, people also do not have to play with you. You remove the deserter from vote-kick, you bring back people abusing the queuing system in order to “exploit” the deserter buff in ways of getting around it, especially tanks and healers who have instant to short queue times.
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Let them exploit it then. And ban them when they do. If they’re doing it enough or severe enough to get reported for it, they’re going to be able to do that.
Normally I would agree, but Azurgos doesnt have a Zidormi phase. Even the map was weird. I showed most of the raid being in the ocean off of Desolace. So I think there are phasing issues all around
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I agree with this, for sure. Issues. Period.
No such thing as an unjust kick. You can be kicked or ANY reason. Period.
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I was tanking a Strath TW dungeon today and after the mind control boss, I literally could not click on any buttons. My UI was completely unresponsive and a reload didn’t fix it.
Only fair thing to do for the group was drop so that they could finish the dungeon with a tank who can actually use his abilities, but now I’ve got to wait 30 minutes to try again.
Fun stuff.
Im not arguing to remove the “Vote Kick” function but to remove the Debuff associated with it.
It does equal harm regardless of the merit or lack thereof
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That is entirely inaccurate
and honestly very dishonest
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Had it happen in LFR a couple of times this week.
People zone in and only see a half or even a quarter of the raid group, the entire group is there because details/recount displays their names but on the screen there is only 8 people of 25.
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So your opinion for it to continue to be exploited by bad actors for what? the off chance that enough ppl in a period of time report them for exploiting a system that lends itself to abuse.
terrible take, why dont we just do nothing about everything, brilliant
No… it’s not inaccurate.
I haven’t lied about it. You can be kicked from a group for any reason. Period.
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Yes that sucks, but that’s a bug.
The actual system works fine.
If people need to complain about anything it’s the sheer amount of bugs.
As this has to do mostly with a game feature I normally wouldn’t move this to the CS Forum but there is a lot if misinformation here that I feel needs correcting which does fall under CS.
No, we don’t. Not for something like this. The entire point of the Vote to Kick system was to give agency to groups so that they could deal with problematic players themselves.
Before this system LFR/LFD griefing could absolutely be reported and if we caught the person griefing (pulling mobs onto the group, being unresponsive, etc…), then we could take action but it has always been a rare time when queue times were low enough where a Game Mater could get to a ticket that quickly.
I don’t know which multiverse you are referring to, Majora, but that isn’t remotely true.
I’m not sure what system you are referring to.
The Social Contract isn’t new, you have two sections. The first is just an outline of recommended behaviors that will help make the in-game environment better for everyone. The second is an outline of the same policies against language and bad behavior we have always had. Only violating that second section would lead to possible penalties.
You are absolutely correct, there is always room for improvement and feedback on how you would like to see it work differently is always welcome. However, no solution is likely going to be “have Game Masters investigate dungeon/raid griefing”. That just isn’t a feasible solution.
Yes and no. We have always prohibited using inappropriate language/subject matter, that hasn’t changed at all. We have expanded our policies to help combat toxicity now, as that has become an increasing problem in online games over the years.
The penalty structure has gone through several evolutions over the years. We used to have a simple penalty volcano, then for awhile we switched to just silencing for social violations, which would double for each violation with no cap. Now we have a combination of what has come before. In most cases for social penalties you’ll receive a silence for the very first offense. After that it moves to a suspension and that suspension multiplies each time until eventually the account is closed.
To be clear, the penalty is based primarily on the history on the account, so yes, you can receive a 2 week suspension for using profanity, but the duration is because you’ve likely been penalized for a social violation at least 2 previous times.
I believe a lot of people understand the frustration with how the system currently works. It isn’t fun being removed from a group and having to sit out for 30 minutes because that also gave you a debuff.
While I cannot speak for the Game Development teams, it is extremely unlikely that the current system would be removed. While you may see the benefits, the system does a great deal to help prevent griefing in groups, so it is functioning the way it needs to. That doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement and if you have feedback/suggestions for that, I would encourage posting that and engaging in productive discussions on what you believe would be a better system. I can say with some certainty that the current system isn’t likely to change without something else to go in its place.
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