Please reconsider your stance on retail/classic reward linking

[Mddsteve-crushridge (Mddsteve)]

The impression I got is that the reason it has taken 2 years to get Classic out is because they’re implementing Vanilla from the ground up in the modern optimized and more secure engine.

Once this process is complete, linking the two should be much more trivial than you suggest.

[Sabetha-turalyon (Sabetha)]

So far I’ve heard a portal in the Caverns of Time to visit ‘Old Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms’ which would have Vanilla-original zones to explore equipped with old dungeons and loot.

Provided they’re willing to do this in modern WoW, this would actually solve more than just wanting cosmetic rewards and definitely should be considered.

Since some people also want to play in the old world with the old quests again, just with BfA everything else.

This would require a linking of the cache-data in retail to the cache data of classic and how they write the code of wow as it was explained at Blizzcon is not feasible as a measure and is part of the reason WHY classic has taken 2 years to bring out.

A shame it’s not easily done, since it would have solved a lot of problems.

Still though, I think even without that the better option is for people to try to petition Blizzard to make those items available again in BfA.

Making people play Classic who have no interest in it for potentially months just for cosmetic rewards in modern WoW is not a very good idea.

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

The impression I got is that the reason it has taken 2 years to get Classic out is because they’re implementing Vanilla from the ground up in the modern optimized and more secure engine.

Once this process is complete, linking the two should be much more trivial than you suggest.

No.

Because of the cache data not being compatible with a direct link to the further cache data of current BFA and in linking the two you open up for damaged code and operations between two completely different places to pull from.

They are implementing it into the newer platform because it’s better technoligically and can handle a heavier load than we had in vanilla and will provide a smoother experience.

Reorganizing your bookshelf to be alphabetical doesnt mean you can just take that book and scan it into your tablet by placing the book on top of it.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

I’m glad you went to the effort to dig up that archaic post up there.

Your entire premise was met with extreme dislike and hostility so you changed your tune to sound more reasonable. The crux of this matter is you’re not even talking about Classic WoW at all. You’re talking about your desire for more transmogs in Modern WoW.

I can understand your argument and do believe it best to keep them separated.

If you’ve changed your mind on a possible link between Classic and Modern WoW, what does this have to do with Classic anymore? The items are still in the game, go on the general forums and give Blizzard a good reason to make them obtainable again. Hell, they did it for the Chromatic Sword.

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

A shame it’s not easily done, since it would have solved a lot of problems.

Still though, I think even without that the better option is for people to try to petition Blizzard to make those items available again in BfA.

Making people play Classic who have no interest in it for potentially months just for cosmetic rewards in modern WoW is not a very good idea.

To be absolutely honest. I dont get WHY anybody would do that as well… but lets face it.

When is anybody on the internet “rational.” People will do it if it’s allowed. Maybe not take months for it. But once the gate is unlocked for Naxx or AQ40 or the like taking the time in that space after the opening to be able to get what they want and leave. At the point Naxx comes out join a guild… 1-2 runs through BWL with a fully geared, clearing naxx group and then all of a sudden your new healer u just got to replace somebody is bouncing because they were able to get some cool looking mog that doesnt exist anymore.

It wont be the people that are there for months and months. It’ll be the people that pop up AFTER the gear is unlocked that will be the real worry.

[Fionnablack-moon-guard]

@Narya It can take over a year just to see all the pieces on the BMAH, and that’s not a guarantee to get them, even if you do have the gold. I’d much, much rather do the raid at its original difficulty and grouping than spend countless hours grinding for gold or playing the auction house just so I can click a single button and buy the gear. I want to earn it by raiding Naxx, not farming gold.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

@Narya It can take over a year just to see all the pieces on the BMAH, and that’s not a guarantee to get them, even if you do have the gold. I’d much, much rather do the raid at its original difficulty and grouping than spend countless hours grinding for gold or playing the auction house just so I can click a single button and buy the gear. I want to earn it by raiding Naxx, not farming gold.

Can you see though how that creates an issue for people who just care about classic though?
In all likelihood the moment you get your transmog, you leave classic and then they have to train and gear a replacement

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

@Narya It can take over a year just to see all the pieces on the BMAH, and that’s not a guarantee to get them, even if you do have the gold. I’d much, much rather do the raid at its original difficulty and grouping than spend countless hours grinding for gold or playing the auction house just so I can click a single button and buy the gear. I want to earn it by raiding Naxx, not farming gold.

Can you see though how that creates an issue for people who just care about classic though?
In all likelihood the moment you get your transmog, you leave classic and then they have to train and gear a replacement

Most people arent thinking about how this action affects others playing classic and are focused solely on their transmogs.

like a dog with a bone man they just dont let it go!!

[Fionnablack-moon-guard]

Why would I do that? The main impetus behind playing Classic for me is to play Classic, I would just be very happy if I was able to ALSO obtain things that are now unobtainable by earning them.

EDIT: Put another way, I’ll be able to show it off in Classic no problem, but if it’s also in Retail, I can show my other friends. “Hey, look what I spent months grinding out! Pretty cool, huh? Only took 13 years!”

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Why would I do that? The main impetus behind playing Classic for me is to play Classic, I would just be very happy if I was able to ALSO obtain things that are now unobtainable by earning them.

Maybe not you, but there definitely would be those that do. Just because you have two incentives does not mean others do.

There would be those who would solely play classic, a game they have no interest in, for retail rewards.

They have posted in these forums stating as much.

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

Why would I do that? The main impetus behind playing Classic for me is to play Classic, I would just be very happy if I was able to ALSO obtain things that are now unobtainable by earning them.

that removes the speciality of those items in live.

Also…

Linking the old cache data to the new cache data to transfer information between the two? Even if its just a one way street? Fionna, lets take this win where we have it and show it off on the classic servers for all our friends! Get them to come join classic servers to play to look AWESOME in naxx gear after it releases!

But, taking the gear from one to the other is gonna diminish the authenticity of those items and it will destroy guilds.

“Oh, we’re starting naxx but all the warrior armor is reserved for me”
“Oh, we’re pugging BWL but the Judgement armor is mine”

People wont play classic to have classic. They will play classic to “pimp their rides” so to speak and then let classic fall by the wayside after they have those Xmogs they want.

[Fionnablack-moon-guard]

I would argue that BMAH has already completely destroyed the authenticity. The only difference is, instead of every player being willing and able to put in the time and effort to raid to get it, it’s only the people who are willing to grind for insane amounts of gold over a year or more to get it.

EDIT: And yes, some people have said they’d come to Classic just for rewards, but that’s up to them. One of the biggest arguments for Classic I’ve seen is that the Community will police itself. If people are ninja-ing or dropping out once they get that one specific shiny they want, and try to move on to the next, the Community will out them and blacklist them.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

I would argue that BMAH has already completely destroyed the authenticity. The only difference is, instead of every player being willing and able to put in the time and effort to raid to get it, it’s only the people who are willing to grind for insane amounts of gold over a year or more to get it.

EDIT: And yes, some people have said they’d come to Classic just for rewards, but that’s up to them. One of the biggest arguments for Classic I’ve seen is that the Community will police itself. If people are ninja-ing or dropping out once they get that one specific shiny they want, and try to move on to the next, the Community will out them and blacklist them.

The point being, I don’t want to have to worry about someone’s motives for playing classic.

And blizzard agrees.

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

I would argue that BMAH has already completely destroyed the authenticity. The only difference is, instead of every player being willing and able to put in the time and effort to raid to get it, it’s only the people who are willing to grind for insane amounts of gold over a year or more to get it.

EDIT: And yes, some people have said they’d come to Classic just for rewards, but that’s up to them. One of the biggest arguments for Classic I’ve seen is that the Community will police itself. If people are ninja-ing or dropping out once they get that one specific shiny they want, and try to move on to the next, the Community will out them and blacklist them.

It doesnt destroy it because the pieces pop up so rarely still. They take so long to complete and its always A HUUUUUGE gold dump into the BMAH to even get them. It doesnt do anything to draw away from it and gives players a way to pick them up after WOTLK removed old Naxx and moved it.

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

I would argue that BMAH has already completely destroyed the authenticity.

but you would be wrong. the very select few that do manage to get their whole set (mind you they took at least a year or two waiting on the pieces to actually be on there and millions and millions of gold to do so) are so few in number that they dont even make a scratch in the authenticity armor.

the serious point here is that, if you allow it to be from classic to retail , you dont know if the person is there just for the xmog or not and if they will leave or not. in the warrior armor case you have to be someone who knows what theyre doing and be reliable if any real raid will even give you that gear.

what happens when that person up and leaves?

the entire raid is out months and months of work and will have to gear someone they dont know will do the same or will even be good enough to do up to your standards.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

do i need to say anything else or can the bolded part speak for itself?

Awww someone doesn’t like another person’s opinion.

[Phront-moon-guard (Phront)]

both have valid concerns, arguments, and desires

“Classic should be a reward path for the modern game” is not a valid desire. It’s the literal antithesis to what the game originally was, and runs counter to everything Classic is intended to be. It existed before the Battlenet client did; before cross-game communication existed anywhere aside from in-game chatrooms that spanned Starcraft and Diablo with Warcraft III. Vanilla WoW was its own universe, and the only cross-server communication you could have was in Battlegrounds near the end of vanilla’s lifespan.

The very concept of bringing modern-motivated players in–players who still have a modern mindset, because their motive to play Classic stems from a desire to obtain something for modern–clashes with the concept of Classic. I want modern players (I’m one of them btw) to come into Classic and experience it.

But I want them to play Classic because they want to play Classic. I don’t want reward tourists; I want experience tourists. If you intend to play Classic, you must understand that it is its own realm of existence. It is not trying to be modern WoW; it is trying to be 2006 WoW.

[Blehgren-dalaran (Blehgren)]

You are correct, this project is about Classic. However the Classic project has brought to light a very hot debate, with a lot of division. The issue is definitely linked to Classic, and will be brought up continually as people play Classic and discover forgotten mogs they wouldn’t mind having in retail.

It’s only a problem because a certain few are making it a problem. It’s discussion over already. It’s not happening so people just need to stop asking.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

Ten years after Classic has bee out people will still be asking. It’ll never stop. But Blizzard has given their answer, and I’m content in that.

[Starman-zangarmarsh (Starman)]

But Blizzard has given their answer, and I’m content in that.

Yes, they have…

This also could be an exception where we somehow grant them for original CE owners. No idea. Interesting thing to think about though. I’ll mention it though that you guys are asking about the original CE pets for original CE owners.

If CE owners don’t get their pets, then there needs to be a Classic CE.