Please reconsider your stance on retail/classic reward linking

[Mddsteve-crushridge (Mddsteve)]

You’re responding to my post like you’re rebuking me, but we’re in agreement here. The part you should be addressing is why you’re chastising those who want Classic items, rather than working with them to brainstorm a better solution.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

You’re responding to my post like you’re rebuking me, but we’re in agreement here. The part you should be addressing is why you’re chastising those who want Classic items, rather than working with them to brainstorm a better solution.

not rebuking. merely pointing out.
furthermore, hola to a fellow crash ridger (i got my start on that server).

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

Part of what I’m trying to get across is that those who want Classic items need to see why it won’t work to earn them in Classic. It wouldn’t bother me any because I was already there in Vanilla and I’m not really interested in a 100% museum recreation, but I can see how those who have wanted Vanilla for years would feel that way.

On the flip side, those who want Classic to remain segregated need to show some class. Desiring Classic items in retail is not grounds for bullying and insulting someone, and if anything you should identify with their desires. Come up with constructive ways to implement Classic items in retail without compromising Classic. If you help them, it’ll help you. They’ll stop begging Blizzard to implement an item crossover and you get to keep your Classic game segregated.

We have discussed this until its a dead horse and now we are currently beating the bloody stain and last vestiges of pulp that remain of said dead-horse. Right now we are still arguing with imbecilic notions of people still wanting to link the two and do other inane “quality of life” changes that will destroy classic and will certainly negatively impact people coming back to play classic FOR that experience they remember… remastered a little bit.

[Mddsteve-crushridge (Mddsteve)]

This thread is almost 1100 posts and sparked some very emotional responses, tell me more about how this isn’t a hot topic.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

This thread is almost 1100 posts and sparked some very emotional responses, tell me more about how this isn’t a hot topic.

1100 posts of you arguing back and forth between 10 other people doesn’t make it a hot topic.

[Sabetha-turalyon (Sabetha)]

Part of what I’m trying to get across is that those who want Classic items need to see why it won’t work to earn them in Classic

If people believe so strongly that, given enough people wanting it, Blizzard will bend to the masses then why not ask for a way to get those items again in BfA?

That seems like it would have a lot more people supporting that idea rather than pissing off the Classic crowd who wants nothing to do with BfA.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

This thread is almost 1100 posts and sparked some very emotional responses, tell me more about how this isn’t a hot topic.

1100 posts of you arguing back and forth between 10 other people doesn’t make it a hot topic.

to be fair, Steve is relatively new poster to this thread. and i wouldn’t call him argumentative either.

[Mddsteve-crushridge (Mddsteve)]

Then why are you still posting?

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

This thread is almost 1100 posts and sparked some very emotional responses, tell me more about how this isn’t a hot topic.

1100 posts of you arguing back and forth between 10 other people doesn’t make it a hot topic.

Well, he’s only posted a few times. Its really a lot of other people in this thread. Except for that 400 long back and forth with starman…

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Because I find it hilarious that you think this is an issue.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

This thread is almost 1100 posts and sparked some very emotional responses, tell me more about how this isn’t a hot topic.

1100 posts of you arguing back and forth between 10 other people doesn’t make it a hot topic.

Well, he’s only posted a few times. Its really a lot of other people in this thread. Except for that 400 long back and forth with starman…

do i need to say anything else or can the bolded part speak for itself?

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

This thread is almost 1100 posts and sparked some very emotional responses, tell me more about how this isn’t a hot topic.

1100 posts of you arguing back and forth between 10 other people doesn’t make it a hot topic.

Well, he’s only posted a few times. Its really a lot of other people in this thread. Except for that 400 long back and forth with starman…

do i need to say anything else or can the bolded part speak for itself?

ROFL. Naw, that speaks for itself surely. Read this whole thing last night to come bring the heat against the hand-holders.

[Fatfat-sargeras]

People have made extremely valid points on “both sides” of the issue, and then extremely valid counters to said points. In the spirit of getting back to a discussion, I’m trying to see if there’s an option or opinion that hasn’t been discussed, let alone beaten until bloody lol. No one really commented on the TLP suggestion I brought up (and honestly, it’s such a pipe dream for the immediate future, it may not be worth discussing at all right now), but there’s other options in that same realm. What about a Classic “plus” server that is true to the original game with the added QoL stuff (in this case I’m talking specifically about rewards to retail but I’m sure there are other features people have wanted). That way, the classic people raising the valid concerns about wanting to know people’s true motives for being on their pure classic server would be unquestionable. If they’re on a true classic server, and there’s a separate classic “plus qol stuff” server, it’s obvious that if someone is on pure classic you know why they are there.

I think as grateful pointed out, the simple mention of classic items, and then the collector’s edition pets thing got the topic going and it has now become a “thing”. I think the idea of an opportunity to earn missed vanilla rewards on your account is so much more relevant to the launch of classic, something that was refused by blizzard for so long, than it is to the release forums, which is likely why the discussions are happening (and keep happening) here. If there’s a possible option or solution that “both sides” can at least agree with hasnt been explored, it could be repeated ad nauseam for people like myself who hop on these forums into the middle of a war.

[Mddsteve-crushridge (Mddsteve)]

So far I’ve heard a portal in the Caverns of Time to visit ‘Old Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms’ which would have Vanilla-original zones to explore equipped with old dungeons and loot.

I’ve personally suggested adding them to Darkmoon Faire like they did with the tier 0/0.5 sets, adding the removed raids to Caverns of Time portals or a “Classic NPC” similar to how old LFR’s are queued for. I’ve also suggested that the mounts/pets/mogs be made available on the BMAH, which is not a desirable solution for me personally.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

I’m not even in favor of linking items from Classic to retail

Oh.

I don’t see any harm in allowing transmogs, mounts, and achievements to be available in Live if obtained/earned on Classic

Uhhh, okay.

[Sabetha-turalyon (Sabetha)]

So far I’ve heard a portal in the Caverns of Time to visit ‘Old Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms’ which would have Vanilla-original zones to explore equipped with old dungeons and loot.

Provided they’re willing to do this in modern WoW, this would actually solve more than just wanting cosmetic rewards and definitely should be considered.

Since some people also want to play in the old world with the old quests again, just with BfA everything else.

[Fatfat-sargeras]

All of those sound like neat ideas to me. Though, I think with two entirely separate codebases it would be extremely difficult for them to have the “queue for an old raid” option, and have the raid be true to how it used to be, the way the Classic servers will inevitably be.

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

People have made extremely valid points on “both sides” of the issue, and then extremely valid counters to said points. In the spirit of getting back to a discussion, I’m trying to see if there’s an option or opinion that hasn’t been discussed, let alone beaten until bloody lol. No one really commented on the TLP suggestion I brought up (and honestly, it’s such a pipe dream for the immediate future, it may not be worth discussing at all right now), but there’s other options in that same realm. What about a Classic “plus” server that is true to the original game with the added QoL stuff (in this case I’m talking specifically about rewards to retail but I’m sure there are other features people have wanted). That way, the classic people raising the valid concerns about wanting to know people’s true motives for being on their pure classic server would be unquestionable. If they’re on a true classic server, and there’s a separate classic “plus qol stuff” server, it’s obvious that if someone is on pure classic you know why they are there.

I think as grateful pointed out, the simple mention of classic items, and then the collector’s edition pets thing got the topic going and it has now become a “thing”. I think the idea of an opportunity to earn missed vanilla rewards on your account is so much more relevant to the launch of classic, something that was refused by blizzard for so long, than it is to the release forums, which is likely why the discussions are happening (and keep happening) here. If there’s a possible option or solution that “both sides” can at least agree with hasnt been explored, it could be repeated ad nauseam for people like myself who hop on these forums into the middle of a war.

The thing with that is is they have to link Cache data between two completely differently wrote-over scripts. The code and progamming ALONE to connect the two data-cache’s and to have them linked via rewards to retail and with classic would be staggering.

Think about this…

In the release statement for classic they are currently redoing WoW for the platform they are using because it’s changed. They are refitting and plugging in lines so instead of “a b v d f h i” you bring it back to “abcdefghi” and have it find all the correct information.

Now taking this explanation, not only do they have to make ABCDEFGHI match in classic. But also that it lines up and connects properly into retail… which would be something like trying to decode and re-engineer the DNA of a particularly rambunctious tiger who wants to introduce you to its stomach…

It would be easier to open the cache data, import it into their editing program, edit the item, and the RE-add it to the current cache data. VIA BMAH - which has been stated multiple times and they HAVE done already. It needs some availability sure, maybe a faster spawn timer for them? But thats about it…

[Mddsteve-crushridge (Mddsteve)]

I’m glad you went to the effort to dig up that archaic post up there. This is a clear example of how having a discussion with you all has allowed me to see some potential drawbacks I didn’t originally foresee.

While I still stand by my original statements, as I don’t think it’ll be as bad as you say it will be, I can understand your argument and do believe it best to keep them separated.

[Gratefultime-hyjal]

So far I’ve heard a portal in the Caverns of Time to visit ‘Old Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms’ which would have Vanilla-original zones to explore equipped with old dungeons and loot.

Provided they’re willing to do this in modern WoW, this would actually solve more than just wanting cosmetic rewards and definitely should be considered.

Since some people also want to play in the old world with the old quests again, just with BfA everything else.

This would require a linking of the cache-data in retail to the cache data of classic and how they write the code of wow as it was explained at Blizzcon is not feasible as a measure and is part of the reason WHY classic has taken 2 years to bring out.