Please reconsider your stance on retail/classic reward linking

[Phront-moon-guard (Phront)]

This has nothing to do with Ion being a Scarab Lord right?

That seems kinda like a hostile question, tbh.

[Fatçorbin-arthas (Fatçorbin)]

It’s a pretty solid philosophy at the moment that there will be zero crossover of rewards.

It’s a pretty foolish philosophy, not to take small steps to encourage players to persist in Classic. The drop off in 3 weeks, and at 3 months will be huge. Unlocks help encourage some players to remain. Their mere presence will, in turn, bolster the dungeon and raid rosters of many other players whose experiences would suffer without company to share it with.

That social fabric from reward seekers gives communities the time they need to grow, for fellow players to form bonds. They do not need to be old rewards, make it something new to preserve Classic. Clear Nax 40 and in retail you unlock a simple set of title / mount / armor / weapon.

That’s all it would take to help Classic thrive. Blizzard could do their part to help the players out. Classic should not just be built and abandoned.

this is for the people who truly love and want classic back… those who had to go on unofficial servers just to play their favorite version of the game, a decent sized community… that has been playing this version for years now that hasn’t gone down in numbers but has grown… people like you have no idea what you’re talking about, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean everyone else won’t… the pvp alone in classic is simply awesome, that alone could make me play for years…

[Fesz-cenarius]

What’s the non-selfish reason to want to be able to be able to obtain Benediction in Classic and then transfer that Benediction (or the appearance thereof) from Classic to retail?

you weren’t there or didn’t get it or didn’t hold onto it… thats not blizzards fault and you are not entitled to it, deal with it… just like everyone else

I think you misunderstand me.

I am firmly against linking Classic and retail.

I was simply trying to ask those who want to claim that anyone against linking Classic to retail is “simply being selfish” to provide a reason other than their own selfishness as to why they want items they obtain in classic to carry over to retail.

[Katerina-mannoroth]

Someone who obtains T3 or a ZG tiger in Classic earned those rewards far more than someone who farmed them in BC in full T6.

I will agree with this. The “Bear Runs” in TBC would be another example to go alongside the AQ Gate Opening of things which should likely be “left in the past” as it ran its course, by design, during TBC. (Wrath and later also have examples of time-gated or expansion pack level gating on things) A LOT of this rare loot, and even rare titles aren’t rare by design(at onset), they’re rare because later design decisions made them inaccessible.

I have no problem with people gaining a new means to access items “lost” to later redesign decisions. I am a little more torn on others, the War Bear Runs for example come to mind. While I would have issue with a “Timewalker” style raid getting them, I am not so certain about how I would feel about someone who did it using the same talents and abilities my groups had, and similar gear “appropriate to the relevant patch levels.”

The other “other factor” in the mix is the “Slippery Slope” matter of “Dates matter” in such a context. Particularly if “legacy players” are given ample warning/opportunity, if for some reason they haven’t logged into WoW and triggered the corresponding achievements on a date before Blizzard allows the stuff to xfer across.

So what if somebody gets an Amani War Bear achievement in 2024, I got my Achievement the day the system went live. People can decide for themselves who has more street cred/epeen based on the disparity between the dates.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Someone who obtains T3 or a ZG tiger in Classic earned those rewards far more than someone who farmed them in BC in full T6.

And that person will have that T3 and that ZG tiger–IN CLASSIC, where they obtained them. They will be able to sit on the IF bridge or in front of the Orgrimmar AH and show off that ZG tiger and their T3 while they try stroke their e-peens–IN CLASSIC.

[Katerina-mannoroth]

Vanilla achievements (if they are working because for super old accounts like mine, they are effed) should stay Vanilla. Classic achievements should stay Classic. Retail achievements should stay Retail. Neither should carry over to the other.

Had to be there when the Achievement System went live. To get the Achievements for Vanilla (or even TBC, although much less of an issue there) you needed to have:

1. Completed a quest to kill the Raid Boss in question. (Such as: Onyxia and Nefarion ring turn in)
   OR
2. Be in possession of loot which only dropped from that encounter.

If you were lucky and DE’d or Vendored the item for #2 to apply, not enough time had passed and GM’s could do a loot restore and trigger the Achievement for you. But if you had done so months before, you were SOL. At which point, your only option was to go kill them again.

[Katerina-mannoroth]

And that person will have that T3 and that ZG tiger–IN CLASSIC, where they obtained them. They will be able to sit on the IF bridge or in front of the Orgrimmar AH and show off that ZG tiger and their T3 while they try stroke their e-peens–IN CLASSIC.

I will agree that at least until/unless a TBC Classic strain of WoW is created, (and even then…) that the “Classic” versions of WoW desperately need to be firewalled against “cross-over” between Classic and Retail.

That said, I am open to Classic as Classic, and Vanilla WoW (with tweaks) being incorporated into retail. So the retail types can “have their chance” at those things, so long as Blizzard ensures they “play by Vanilla’s rules” to do so. But that is going to call on some significant back-end work on Blizzard’s part to make work as to how Retail could have a character be a level 120 in x.x.x but also be a level 5 in Elywnn Forest at effectively patch level 1.12.x

Keep in mind, this is NOT advocating they get to interact with “Classic WoW” at all. Just that they get to potentially benefit from work which was done in order to create Classic WoW. Yes, they’re related, but not the same thing. (Dizygotic Twins?)

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

why is this discussion even ongoing?
there should be absolutely no reward linking between classic and retail.

[Katerina-mannoroth]

why is this discussion even ongoing?
there should be absolutely no reward linking between classic and retail.

It has ranged across about half-a-dozen different, but related, topics so it keeps coming back. That the new forum interface alerts participants to new posts/replies also means follow-up postings are almost inevitable.

That and one of those topics actually was in regards to the Vanilla CE pets(and maybe BlizzCon’s Murky) and how those may or may not tie into Classic. I am biased, (I have said CE) but I do think those pets are probably the one, and only exception that should be allowed in regards to crossing over from Retail to Classic or vice-versa.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

why is this discussion even ongoing?
there should be absolutely no reward linking between classic and retail.

It has ranged across about half-a-dozen different, but related, topics so it keeps coming back. That the new forum interface alerts participants to new posts/replies also means follow-up postings are almost inevitable.

That and one of those topics actually was in regards to the Vanilla CE pets and how those may or may not tie into Classic. I am biased, (I have said CE) but I do think those pets are probably the one, and only exception that should be allowed in regards to crossing over from Retail to Classic or vice-versa.

true, and the almighty ox has already covered the collectors edition pet - they will discuss it, but don’t get your hopes up.
as for everything else. not sure why its still being discussed though. reward linking is a terrible idea and it wont be a good change long term.

[Katerina-mannoroth]

as for everything else. not sure why its still being discussed though. reward linking is a terrible idea and it wont be a good change long term.

Reward Linking between the two games is a terrible idea for the Classic Community. Agreed.

Reward Linking in general? Not so much, and the idea that someone could get Benediction/Anathema and copy it over to Retail honestly doesn’t bother me much(particularly as, IIRC, it was obtainable until the end of Wrath). But having Classic be the vehicle by which they obtain it would be horrible for the Classic Community. Which means a non-Classic Avenue needs to exist for doing so, or it needs to be blanket prohibited. Either way, the blanket prohibition on Classic being the means stands solid.

[Nyalmi-moon-guard (Nyalmi)]

I would still love to be able to collect mog from the vanilla realms.

Since there are several pieces I trashed years ago not knowing transmog was coming that I would love to get back. Rip rip.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

I would still love to be able to collect mog from the vanilla realms.

Since there are several pieces I trashed years ago not knowing transmog was coming that I would love to get back. Rip rip.

that may be so, but it would have a negative impact on the game.

[Nyalmi-moon-guard (Nyalmi)]

Perhaps, but that’s just how I feel as someone addicted to mogging.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Perhaps, but that’s just how I feel as someone addicted to mogging.

shrug, to each there own.

[Nyalmi-moon-guard (Nyalmi)]

shrug, to each there own.

I can understand though,it’s mostly just wishful thinking on my part lol.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

you weren’t there or didn’t get it or didn’t hold onto it… thats not blizzards fault and you are not entitled to it, deal with it… just like everyone else

Except that argument becomes null and void when Classic launches :).

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

you weren’t there or didn’t get it or didn’t hold onto it… thats not blizzards fault and you are not entitled to it, deal with it… just like everyone else

Except that argument becomes null and void when Classic launches :).

doesn’t matter. your still not getting linked rewards.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

your still not getting linked rewards.

Same thing was said about getting Classic too

[Narya-kirin-tor (Narya)]

I’m wondering if you’re deliberately just asserting random stuff now.