Blizz doesn’t care. The devs play Horde. We all knew this was an issue ages ago but they went ahead with it anyways knowing the massive map advantage Horde gets.
Yes they do. The horde sit at SH well after the bunkers been taken, then cap every flag forcing alliance into one choke point. Only then do they slowly push the alliance back to the start cave. Where they then camp them for 20 min while i few clear the base.
Wrong wrong wrong. Ally premades were rampant in vanilla.
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Was probably a premade using av premade addon.
This is absolutely pathetic. You all had no problem exploiting 40 man pre mades against the Horde. Now that you don’t have that advantage, you started losing. Which is obviously in no way the players lack of skill or coordination. Clearly it must be the map since you are all god tier pvpers. Or…you got used to winning every game as a 40 man pre against solo queue Horde. You thought you were good because of that. You aren’t disadvantaged, you’re just finally being shown your place in WoW.
Please, don’t give the devs any more ideas.
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Get on your main loser
That is some top tier irony right there.
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Post on your vanilla toon so we do not doubt your statements about your vanilla knowledge.
The perfect post here sums it all up, saying horde have an advantage hurts their pride. They need to feel like they win from skill, them being at at the bunker before we can even get there to defend is obviously not an advantage. They literally outnumber us so bad on warmode in retail it’s sad. The blindness is astonishing
Lol whaaat??? First it was the alliance who had a “huge advantage and AV and now it’s the horde?” No lol. We win because we go for max honor and we HAVE to. Ally can just zerg, but how tf do you still lose lol. Not to mention the f**king archers on the bridge you have, and the shortcut in our own base you can use against us. Horde wins because we stick together and we dont turtle in the middle like a bunch of tweens and teens in 2008.
Back in the day, on the same map, alliance won literally every game on my server. It’s always the same story. The map is unbalanced. It’s so unfair for x team. That’s all bs. What happened is your players have gotten locked into a rhythm and the outcome of the game ends up being the same.
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It most definitely is a player issue. The changes that were made a couple weeks ago didn’t change the map. It was on the exact same map that alliance premades were zerging with 6-7minute wins. Why do you think that, on that same map and same starting cave, the horde were losing? The changes only affected the honor gained per kill, looting corpses, and ruining the premade system that the alliance had.
So the premade alliance groups went to WSG instead and the few alliance that still play AV are casuals who don’t stand a chance against the horde who have been forced to try hard and communicate through ingame chat against the premades. That also accounts for the longer queues the horde have now. With most alliance going to WSG, there are simply less to make AV groups and thus the horde waits longer.
It all makes sense. Blaming the flip of Alliance-Horde win rates on the caves that haven’t changed is ridiculous.
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It’s funny and telling that Allies never apply this logic to themselves.
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The irony in these posts. Anytime we bring up the objective fact that Allies won AV on this patch in Vanilla, there’s nothing but Ally tears and excuses.
Whose pride is hurt by reality again? Lol
It’s not a map problem, it’s a you problem.
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The map is blatantly tilted in favor of Horde if Horde play it correctly. There’s not a reliable counter to that available for Alliance in a PUG v PUG match. Best they can hope to do is hard cap SFGY so they don’t get bottled up the rest of the match, but that still leaves them way behind. Horde opens the game in Alliance territory and the IWB choke is on the wrong side of SHGY so literally if Horde win the first engage they win the game. That’s not a sign that Alliance just need to play the map better…it’s a sign that the map is broken.
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How do you reconcile this false belief with the fact that Alliance won this BG 60-75% or more of the time in Vanilla?
I mean you can cry about map all you want, but your opinion doesn’t mean anything.
If Horde were’t reliably hard intercepting mid, hard capping SHGY and back capping IBGY then they were losing a significant amount of the advantage the map gives them. Also it seems like DB backdoor either didn’t exist or wasn’t widely known. Even taking it as fact that Alliance won more than 50% of games doesn’t really prove anything, just as the fact that Alliance was winning in the first week or so after AV hit due to the zerg heavy meta at that time doesn’t somehow prove that the map favors Alliance.
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Backdoor existed then too. I used it all the time. You used to jump over a hill near the single pixel jump. Nearly identical to one of the backdoors.
Also, Alliance has equivalent back doors. Always has. They just never needed to use them.
You mean, just playing the game correctly? Maybe Allies should try it.
I’m not sure how you can see losing a 40v40 fight as ‘imbalance.’
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(1) Pretty much every old thread or article about AV I’ve ever seen linked references the bridge and makes no reference to the backdoor. So maybe you knew about it, but it doesn’t seem like most people did.
(2) If you’re referring to the gap in the gate by west tower that’s not even close to the same thing as you still have to funnel into the main force by Drek’s keep. You’re not getting around the main defense it’s just avoiding traps/blizzards on the main gate (a mage standing in west tower can blizz either spot, and it’s not like you can skip the hill up to the keep). If you’re referring to the actual backdoor…that’s wayyy more difficult to pull off and takes a lot more time than going in the frontdoor, whereas the DB backdoor is literally a shortcut and takes one jump.
(3) Yes, I mean playing the map to Horde’s greatest advantage. Which I don’t know they were doing in vanilla (and I’ve seen plenty of people testify that they weren’t). Even if Alliance wins the opening 40v40 engagement, they still aren’t typically able to win the game. If Horde win…or even manage to get a stealth cap on SHGY it’s pretty much over. Things like spawn distance, terrain, and objective placement affect the fight a lot.
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