Fair enough but reporting them isn’t going to do anything unless they’re dumb enough to be breaking an actual TOS clause like threatening you or cussing you out or something. All you are doing is wasting GM time on a ticket that will just be dismissed.
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except it makes people vote kick more and for no reason whatsoever.
Except it doesn’t. If this was a widespread issue, trust me, I’d have seen it by now. Been playing since 2009, by the way.
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And four people had to deal with that person’s crap, instead of just kicking for a debuff that covers both the problem person and the punishment.
again with the widespread issue, I dont trust you, it is an issue, always has been always will be.
Griefing players is a punishable offense. GMs have access to chat logs. They can see if the tank or healer stopped participating and asked to be vote kicked.
I know. Hence the discussion. 
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You don’t have to trust me (and frankly I don’t care) but you are still incorrect.
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A few of us have also mentioned this. And the forum sees what… one topic every few months or so on this? On a forum roughly 1% of the playerbase. CS rarely sees this complaint.
But hey, better to watch four people have to deal with toxicity instead of one just getting a debuff. 
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I’m now entirely convinced the only people who want to remove the deserter debuff are people who get kicked often enough for it to be a real problem for them, and if you’re getting kicked often enough for it to be a real problem, you’re the problem.
I have no desire to remove the debuff. I also never get kicked from groups.
On that note, I’m going to go chain run DoTI and never see a single vtk pop up.
you were convinced of that from the beginning. Im sure you came into this with that mindset.
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Truly, we have never seen a greater injustice inflicted upon the player base. 
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I very rarely get kicked, and the times I do get kicked is either because of RL issues (phone, door ringing, dog vomiting, despite me communicating it, they kick me) or by griefers (I once was kicked because they didn’t like my transmog, saying I shouldn’t dress like a Muslim insert swear word).
I think they had the right to kick me and I’m fine with that, but I don’t think I was warranted the deserter buff on those ocassions.
Again, this happens very very rarely. I haven’t been kicked for like a year I think.
So yes, in the end even if nothing changes it’s not that big of a deal. But it is something I do wish it changed.
Doesn’t have to be. Dumb kicks are iniated all the time. But it’s still on the group to decide in that heat of the moment whether the kick is warranted or not. Abstaining results in a no. Blindly clicking yes is just as easy as blindly kicking no. The fact is is probably a literal 99.9% of cases, people aren’t going to get kicked if they do what I say (here and in game). I wouldn’t have voted yes to kick the OP for using crystals badly but I wouldn’t be losing sleep if the vote passed anyway.
Stop having main character syndrome and just do your attacks on what the group is attacking. Don’t make decisions for the group. Let someone else click the crystals and draw the ire if it was “incorrect”. You’re just nobody the whatever class just here to get some XP with some fellow levelers.
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If you really think that a significant portion of the playerbase would meta that once-a-day immunity from deserter, then you are more cynical than even me, and that’s just absurd.
But I don’t think you’re that cynical. What’s more likely is that you just care more about winning an argument. As a forum regular, you can’t ever look bad on the forums, of course.
Heck, if vote kicks really are as rare as you want to make it seem, then how about once-a-week immunity from the deserter that resets every Tuesday? Think people would still care enough to meta that and troll groups?
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I’m not as convinced. I think the community will always see some dungeons as “Occulus” dungeons.
For example, I once was got Diremaul and everyone left immediately after being teleported to the dungeon. There will always be dungeons the community deems as too frustrating, boring, long, etc. to be worth doing.
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Player queues into random, deliberately pulls mobs, wipes group. More than once.
Rest of group vote kick them out.
There is no deserter punishment, so they just do it again. And again.
Whether or not its ‘outdated’ I can’t really say. What I can say is that nobody I have read in any of these posts has come up with an alternative that works both ways. And I am pretty well certain that if there was a solution, Blizzard would have been happy to implement it long before now, if only to avoid the complaints put through to them when it happens.
That is a good idea too! I wouldn’t mind that at all.
I would have voted no, as well. And if it passed, there’s not much I can do about it. If it were me that got kicked, I’d shrug it off, go do something else and queue again later.
Four people don’t need inconvenienced because of one. This was the best explanation I’ve seen so far to people who want the debuff removed:
Yeah, it’s all about finding a balance. Giving players who get kicked the benefit of the doubt the first time while still punishing subsequent behavior from those who may be habitual trolls in groups.
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I’m also pretty certain you don’t get the debuff if at least one boss has been downed, but I could be wrong on that
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