By that logic Z.12, you’re fear mongering that any version but 1.11 is a poison to Classic.
You’re also being deceptive and disingenuous by claiming that raids full of level 58s in weird gear are even capable of playing as higher level and better geared characters who have a choice in what they’re playing would do.
Except that the experiences we saw in the beta were pretty much in line with what 1.12 AV was actually like.
The very short matches we saw in the beta were pretty much in line with what 1.12 AV was actually like, whereas the longer ones were not an accurate representation of 1.12 AV.
See? I can provide anecdotal evidence as well.
Sorry, still waiting on proof of what you accused me of claiming.
And I gave it to you 
Sorry if that makes it harder to claim you aren’t just fear mongering
Note the wild Ziryus in its natural habitat, the forum. Awkwardly, with limbs all a-flail, it strikes at its opponent with maligned words and claims taken out of context.
Curses! The reply did not land as intended. Clearly, the Ziryus must now double-down and claim success. It believes that if it screams loudly enough into the void, some will mistake its thrashing for adept discourse.
58s, in poor gear, but most importantly with no incentive to finish the game quickly.
You have no proof of that. Just your word. Yet when we where there… In that timeframe… THIS did not happen.
Is this a Brokenwind alt or are you guys passing pastbin notes now? COme on!! 1.12 is fine… Get with it!! Lets move on… THank you!!
You have no proof of that.
Just your word.
I stinking lived it!! That is my proof.
You are pulling crap out of thin air because you base things on fear tactics.
And you might post to that one video from back in the day that was an outlier of a premade. But it was NOT the norm.
That’s all… Let’s move on.
RP-PVP servers for my friends is more important than this!
Yeah, that’s kinda funny. I lived it too.
On an RP-PvP server, no less.
No, I’ll continue to ask for old AV until it happens or I quit WoW entirely. This is a major nerf to my endgame PvP; AV was my favorite BG by far back before it became a hollow shell of its former self.
I doubt it. You post on a toon that does not give us any indication of it. Because if you played during that time frame you know its not the case.
BUt crap. . why did I get dragged into trying to debate the ump supporters again?
Then make it original and come up with a better case. You are saying the same thing as other people over and over.
And FYI. AV is my favorite too. . And. nevermind. . Its pointless. .You won’t listen. .
I wish you the best in your endeavors. . Take care
We’ve already made our case “over and over”. Threads like these keep Blizzard from pretending that the community has moved on and accepted 1.12 AV.
Want me to dig up my older, more extensive posts on why I want AV? I’ll plagiarize myself if it’ll please your sensibilities.
I won’t listen because I played both versions, and one I will willingly take part in and enjoy, while the other I will use for rep gear and then avoid like the plague.
Hi, this is Enshui.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/moon-guard/markh/achievements/legacy/player-vs-player
You are wrong.
I enjoy your post stylings.
A number of us lived it, dwarf. If you are done with adding anything to the discussion and do not care to see it any more, you have the power to mute threads.
Ah, I forgot to hit reply before I quoted you. Please see the post above by ‘Markh’ for my apparently necessary qualifications so that my opinion is allowed to be valid.
Just for reference, do you remember your own words from just the other day? Here, I’ll help:
Practice what you preach. You want to yell that your experiences are valid but what others say isn’t? I would rather people see the validity of the argument itself – not my Vanilla ranks. I choose to enter the conversation on an alt. I judge the validity of others arguments based on their arguments.
Discuss the problem, not the character. Bring evidence to bear. Logical arguments. Screaming doesn’t impress me. Saying everyone gets an opinion and then trying to invalidate someone else’s does not show strength of conviction. It shows you think that if you scream loudest, you win by default.
Did you have something better than ‘I was there,’ Brick?
Thank you.