I don’t see where you get I am saying different content, I was saying I did additional content to get it. If I wanted the minor vision essence on various roles I had to do more of them to get all roles than if I was just doing for one role.
They only put the work in to earn it on one role. How would it be fair to people who play hybrids earn these things on multiple roles to have all that extra effort be for nothing.
People need to stop thinking that this change was to make these account wide - it wasn’t, it was to give people options. I think that is where the problem is.
You misunderstand my point. I actually don’t think the minor visions essences should be available for all roles as it is technically current content. The same as M+ and honor essences as they both are still current content.
However, while you say you did “additional content”, you really didn’t. All these pure DPS classes did the same amount of content as you, possibly even more. As I already stated, the only difference was the availability of the other essences.
If their plan was to release all these essences this way for alts, then they should have had ALL essences available for unlock, even for DPS classes. Would it be a dead essence? Well yes, but at least then everybody would have the availability to unlock all these different essences while they were current.
The idea that pure dps class players should receive less availability then their multi-role friends is a little unfair don’t you think?
While I’m on the topic, it is also an oversight to have eternal palace essences fall under the same rules as the naz/mech rep essences. Old content shouldn’t need to be played for current alt power level. This goes completely against the gear metrics that blizzard has used since around wrath where every tier of raid would replace the previous tier.
But in all seriousness, this is dumb. Equivalent essences for other specs should be available.
Also essences should be account-wide. Alternate grinds are a non-solution and Ion is a jerk.
Pro-tip for Blizzard: If you need to make multiple posts explaining how your system works via non-game channels, your system is bad and you should be ashamed. I’m available for hire if you want someone who can apply basic human logic to your systems before you embarrass yourselves in the future.
I would love to argue with you about the EP essence because I think people did do extra to earn those essences on other roles but since I never did it, I can’t be sure.
I think it was wrong of blizzard to treat the Nazjatar and Mechagon essences in that way because especially for Mechagon rep, people in addition to the rep had to earn the currency to buy the essences on other roles.
Someone is going to always be treated unfairly once they play around with the systems as originally designed and I prefer it be the people who never bothered doing the content originally. If they keep treating the people who do the content and don’t complain unfairly, there will evenually be no one willing to do the content.
8.3 is balanced with the assumption that you have all of your 8.2 essences unlocked. It is absolutely not current content.
Assuming you have old stuff isn’t the same as being current. I thought we learned this lesson back in Vanilla, where you had to do ever content that every existed in the order of release unless you got hard carried.
Also, good luck finding an EP group. Earning those essences the original way is near impossible. New players are still barred from entry, which is a good metric for determining if your catch up solution is viable.
If I’m understanding you correctly, you are saying that Blizzard implemented a stupid, busted system in the first place, thus people will suffer for it. I may be wrong there but that’s how I interpreted your post.
If I am correct on what you are saying, why would you want more players to suffer bad design by Blizzard?
I guess at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter as this is the way blizzard implemented their catch up mechanics for alts.
While I understand your point about the currency cost, they implemented a currency cost for the catch up on alts so why does it matter that you farmed out the materials to purchase them on your main? Everyone has to farm out currency to purchase them on alts, I feel that’s not really a strong argument.
I think you are thinking im saying that i support the essence unlock system currently in place. Believe me when I say I definitely do not. However, we were discussing the alt catch up mechanics for 8.3, not the essence system as a whole. My opinion on the system as a whole is that it is incredibly flawed and has been since it released.
i agree that it is very difficult to earn the old essences the original way (especially EP), but unfortunately, Blizzard decided to screw over people who didn’t actively play and unlock them in 8.2.
No I have no problem with their original system. In my opinion, they shouldn’t have changed it. Although I will say giving people choices as to the type of content they do to earn things is probably a sound business decision.
so you are saying people still have to farm those crates on their alts to buy the essences in addition to farming the echoes? I didn’t know that, that might make things a bit fairer then.
That they decided it isn’t a reason to defend their decision.
It’s a reason to tell them that they are bad and wrong until they make a better decision.
The right solution is:
-All essences are Account-wide.
-All 8.2 essences are purchase-able via Echoes regardless of whether or not your other characters own them.
They have to farm echoes, that is a form of currency… Anywho, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am to mine. We differ in opinion, it is what it is. Good luck to you friend!
But I didn’t defend any decisions?.. Huh?..
Anywho we are in agreement, I want pure account-wide essences and echoes to unlock them for all 8.2.
But, unfortunately, they won’t… This new system is their compromise because of the outcry from players. It’s the same as pathfinder back in WoD. They got sick of people complaining so they put in a half baked system to “fix” it. And the funny thing is pathfinder is very similar as it punishes new players severely because of the rep grind.
Due to me committing the crime of only playing a Rogue I now have to do the same questlines and achievements if I want Tank essences (And that’s if I got the heads up that I need to log into my main first)
I don’t know if you ever quested as a tank, but boy howdy is it slow and unless I awkwardly spec dance while questing, that’s my only option to get these essences
Since a good chunk of the essences come from the same thing, just changes based on your spec, why not just be able to purchase…Any of them received from any specific quest/achievement? Like if I get the Mechagon essence, lemme choose between Purification Protocol, Well of Existence, or Nullification Dynamo
KABLAM, problem solved, took me literally 30 seconds to think of, there’s your options and doesn’t make you feel punished for either playing a class without a tank/healing spec, or not wanting to initially focus on those specs during a time where playing alts wasn’t really a good option
All the limitations on what is supposed to be a good thing just seems…petty, more than anything
It should not matter if content is current or not. The whole point of this system is to not repeat unlock grind on alts. And current system doesn’t achieve that, because there’s still bunch of role specific essences that are not unlocked to alts:
Eternal Palace essences
Battleground essences
Mythic+ Essences
Rajani/Uldum Accord reputation Essences
We have already done grind to unlock those on our pure DPS mains.
Blizzard should unlock all versions of them, tank and healer included, for our alts.
How is that fair to the people who originally earned these on multiple roles?
It takes nothing to loot crates or tag rares which is what is takes to earn mechagon rep, just as easy on a tank if not more so than on a dps character.
What you guys are failing to consider is the effect things like this have on others who have already earned these things. Sure easy for you now but others went out and did all this content on multiple characters in multiple roles and tell me the message this all is sending to them.
I agree?.. You’re like a 3rd person acting like I was for the current way of things, I’m saying it appears from a BLIZZARD stand point, that’s what they were going for.
Am I not getting my point across clear enough?.. I advocate for pure account bound essences people!! xD
Edit: Perhaps I was rather off base with my standing on the other essences, the time gating alone for M+ and rep grinding should make it available to all alts.
It’s fair because I’ve already done what’s required to get it, what does it matter if I got an achievement as a DPS or a Tank or as a Healer, I did what was required to get the Essence
It literally does not matter how you got an essence, because you can either adjust the loot that drops by changing the spec option in PvE, or changing your actual spec before completing a quest or using an item
There is no difference in accomplishing something as a DPS, or as a tank, or as a healer, except in the case where you don’t have a choice but to accept a DPS essence because you literally have no other choice
How is that fair for someone who wants to make a tank alt now, but has to do everything they just did all over again? They don’t even have to tank to do it, they just need to make sure they’re a tank before they receive the rewards
My question is why do you care if other people get them? Do you want them to make a special achievement for those that got them when they were current? Because if so go right on ahead, I just don’t see the harm of freeing them up for other people. It literally has no effect on your gameplay whatsoever…
You don’t have to be in multiple roles to unlock all role essences on your druid/pala/monk… You can play single role and unlock essences for all other roles.
You just did exactly same content pure DPS players did and were passively getting extra rewards (essences for other specs) for doing so, pure DPS players didn’t get anything after they unlocked theirs the only available role. This is unfair to us, pure DPS players.
Why can’t I play my hunter/mage/rogue/warlock to unlock tank/healer essences, but some druid/pala/monk can? This makes no sense…
Actually no you haven’t. If you wanted the Rustbolt essence on your tank and healer and DPS characters you had to go and do extra content to farm the crates to buy them. As DPS you did that ONCE.
