I don’t think ALL addons should be removed just because some (not all) don’t like 1 or 2. There is an addon that I don’t like, but I would never advocate for the removal of ALL addons. That’s just silly.
I really don’t know what some (not all) people’s issues are with DBM and/or Weak Auras. All IK is my frustrations with the Guild Invite Addons has reached its peak and limits. And, I’m tired of being bullied and not taken seriously on how problematic this addon really is compared to DBM and/or Weak Auras.
As far as I’m concerned, neither DBM nor Weak Auras have disrupted my time the way the Guild Invite addon has. And, the removal of the Guild Invite Addon will make me happy.
This is the crux of the issue here. Literally no one is asking for the removal of ALL addons. What has happened is people have pointed out how addons like DBM and Weak Auras have affected encounter design, making content less and less accessible to the average players.
But it’s much easier to attack the “remove all addons” strawman than it is to have an actual discussion about how those specific addons are bordering on automation of play.
Take into account if players are even interested in Raiding, which I’m not. The fight to keep DBM and/or Weak Auras is not my fight because I don’t Raid/use them.
When, I see people advocating for the removal of ALL addons is when I chime in because I do use addons, for my gameplay which is Adapt and TRP3.
Again, I only chime in, where the argument targets me which is “the removal of ALL addons” because I still use addons. This thread wasn’t specific to DBM and/or Weak Auras. But, ALL addons, as a whole.
I do have an issue with one addon and am advocating for its removal. It’s neither DBM nor Weak Auras, like I said:
You do know that it doesn’t block whispers, right?
EDIT: I swear, I have to repeat ad nauseum the same arguments, over and over, again regarding this stupid guild invite addon. Some (not all) think they’re so clever and know how this addon works, but they really don’t because they’ve never been in the receiving end of it.
Right now the game needs these add-ons to be playable. If you disagree with that you’re lying to yourself.
I don’t think there is a decent argument that add-ons do anything but make the game worse. I think it’s just common sense if you remove a lot of these add-ons that essentially play the game for you, and you’re lying again if you think they are just “reminders,” the game would be just objectively better.
If you removed addons now, you’d see a giant amount of players unsub as end game content jumps in complexity/difficulty and I mean that in you now have to watch for animations/ability names you never cared about because DBM just yelled at you to stand behind the boss. That’s if you’re lucky anything even naturally shows up for you to try to notice while dodging quaking.
The game is designed to be played with these add-ons. You’re in a different world if you think someone can realistically play wow with out them right now. Remove these add-ons = better designed game. It’s just facts.
But honestly I don’t care if they do or don’t because I like playing as it is right now, my main point is you’re smoking crack of you think it’s better than the alternative because anyway I can cut it, it’s definitely not.
It really depends on what part of the game you’re talking about, though. For somebody like me who doesn’t raid, I have no use for DBM nor Weak Auras. I could play without Adapt and TRP3 (and I have), but I enjoy enhancing (which is what addons original purposes were) my WoW experience.
I like Adapt. All it does is this (the animated portrait, the numbers and percentages is within the game’s system, already):
I find Adapt to be an enhancer and not a required addon.
I guess I mean when doing end game content. I also don’t disagree there are plenty of addons that really have no effect on the design of the game. Not what I’m talking about tho, if it was only those addons then maybe it would be the same outcome as zero addons. I’m not sure tho.
Some people have so much low self control that the only way they can keep themselves from doing or using something is to make it so others can’t either .
I’m sorry but I’m not relying on a weakaura to get through a +17 HoA. Or whatever people do. Wayyyyyy too much importance is put on the top 1%, or even moreso, the 1/2 of 1% than needs to be. I have never watched a WoW stream, I’ve never watched and barely know what MDI is, and I don’t give a crap about world first raiding. I had my day in Wrath and Cata.
Well maybe if you did you would be timing 20s (I apologize but it was an easy response). Also why would purposely hamper hypothetical optimal play/coordination if the other 4 in your group were willing to do so?
No one is forcing you to use them. The worst argument possible for addons. You have to use them. You’re lying if you think you don’t. The game is designed with them in mind, it’s been said by wow devs. If you just say they arnt needed, you just keep your eyes closed and enjoy wow man.
Idk why everyone is so blind to the game dying and part of the problem is the base design of the game and end game content. How no one links that with the fact wow devs have said they designed the game with these add-ons in mind. Put two and two together.
But again, the game isnt playable without 15 addons. Just facts, you’re lying if you tell people otherwise.
I will say, I am discontent with certain addons, myself. Unfortunately, neither DBM nor Weak Auras are my issue. My issue is the guild invite addon, particularly the whispers associated with them. As I was saying this, I had just received one, and I screenshotted it to show exactly what I’m talking about:
EDIT: No, turning off guild invites does not turn off these whispers. No, this is not someone trying to communicate with me. This is nonsense that should be reserved for the public chat channels (which I’m not in) or guild recruit forums and NOT whispers!
I know this does not solve the intrusive behavior of this addon (which has been hobbled over the years), but I have to ask why not be in a guild? You lose out on hearth reduction and mount speed. I personally can’t pass up such utility.
But yes said whisper to people not in your raid/guild functionality for addons should be disabled at this point. If people want to post chat macro type text that is really only suited for trade/lookingforgroup.
6.) People that have played other games where the devs actually make an effort to ensure content can be cleared without addons. Where the fight design language is generally consistent, class rotations make sense and the devs understand the interaction between cadence of the fight and the player’s rotation.
