Please don't remove addons

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There are posts and a push to remove addons from World of Warcraft. While I understand that many people play different ways, I cannot agree with the removal of an optional feature. Not ONE person forces another to play with addons. They are a help. It is similar to playing with/without feasts, flasks, and enchants. You CHOOSE to play with those to increase your dps/heals/tanking.

The average player wants Addons. Hardcore players do not. While I respect the desire to play hardcore, I do not think it is okay to push developers simply because you want to play hardcore.

This is a similar argument for/against flying. While I understand the want to explore the world from the ground, the game has flying mounts that Blizzard created.

In the case of addons, Blizzard didn’t create them. The community did. And the majority of the community wants, needs, and uses the addons. Blizzard created the option to use mods.

If you are someone who doesn’t want addons, DO NOT USE THEM. Simple. Remove them from your game and play how you want.

It is not okay to use your clout or your follower communities to push for features you “think” people want. The reality is YOU want them. YOU find a benefit in them. And don’t really care about the actual community. It is selfish to keep asking for features/BoEs to be removed simply because YOU don’t like them.

The same push for things to be removed keeps coming from the same groups. 1%ers who OPTIONALLY choose to push for World First or TOXIC people who create havoc with their entire communities. It is a community driven event, but no offense, you don’t speak for the entire WoW community. You speak for yourselves for income driven reasons. And while I can respect the hustle, stop speaking for the community. You aren’t our spokes people.

It is the communities who created the mods. The communities who use the mods. The communities who have no problem with using the mods or wanting the mods or take up well used mods and fix them when the original author chooses to not update them.

NO. I cannot agree that mods have dumbed down the player base. (An opinion that is pretty drastic and toxic). There is so much information to take in. There is so much to pay attention to. More complex boss fights that increase the difficulty also increases the amount of information you need to take in. Using addons helps mitigate the overwhelming amount of information.

I have played since Vanilla. The amount of information that you have to keep track of has increased to an insane level. There has to be a middle ground. Having addons is the middle ground.

TLDR: So if you don’t want addons, don’t use them. Addons are middle ground.

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We’re not in any risk of losing addons fam.

Also generally speaking it’s hardcore players that use more addons (because there’s more content that requires them to be on top of what’s coming up).

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what.
no??

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Asmongold said addons need to go. Just make the base ui better and we wouldn’t need them

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Nothing is more toxic than someone telling me how to play the game when that person doesn’t play the game at the same standard.

It is like a someone using GPS and telling you that you are bad at directions

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I’ve had that too aha :joy:.

Mind you my standard is LFR so I’m pretty bad myself basically a gigachad.

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no worries dude they will never ever ever get rid of add-ons.

it’s like the easiest way for them to trial new functions without having to put any work in or take any risk.

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Asmongold talking about removing addons.
Woulnd’t make a difference for him, his UI is absolutely garbage and he clicks half of his abilities.

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you realize you are 100% backwards here… right?

the push to remove addons isn’t coming from mythic raiders, high key pushers or glad level pvp’ers. it’s coming from casuals.

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Blizzard knows better than to remove the ability for players to use add ons since they have been around my guess is as long as WOW. So why would they commit game suicide now true they have been known to be slowly killing the game since WOD and the flight debacle, but this would take the cake.

Think of it this way let’s say they removed add ons then who is left to play?

Casuals use them for achievement hunting, raiders use them to help in raids every aspect of the WOW universe uses them.

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Since at least closed beta, we have the AH now because of an addon from then.

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It would be foolish to remove addons, and the forums are proof of this. A lot of people get all dramatic when the game isn’t exactly the way they want it. Now imagine taking away the largest method of player control over their interface?

This place would be even more bonkers. :woozy_face:

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Hardcore players love addons. Average players use at least a handful, but the hardcore players–the ones who spend hours and years playing this game–are the people who make the add-ons and the people who use the most add-ons in every type of WoW’s gameplay.

The people who come here asking for addons to be banned are from a few different groups:

1.) People who have never raided or done endgame dungeon content and have an impression of what that content is like/how it works solely from watching video of other people playing.

2.) People who used to raid back in pre-Cata WoW but no longer see any raids outside of LFR and never participate in endgame dungeon content.

3.) People who were treated unkindly at some point by a raid leader or guild member who told them to get X addon (usually DBM) or they couldn’t come into the raid. They’re still bitter about it and fixate on add-ons in general or DBM in particular as a cause to plant a sword over.

4.) People who play only the Classic versions of WoW and come from a private server Vanilla background where add-ons are frequently viewed as one of the core causes of WoW’s perceived downfall from the glory days.

5.) People who, for whatever personal reason, view add-ons of any sort as “cheating.” This is actually the only group I respect in the anti-addon camp because at least they have a legitimate reasoning that is sincere.

Blizzard is never going to remove add-ons from WoW. There are occasionally add-ons developed that Blizzard decides are too powerful or too automated, and they break those add-ons or pieces of those add-ons. That is what they will continue to do.

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Let me clarify…Hardcore people who are screaming to remove addons on the forums. Hardcore players want HARD CONTENT. Not the same thing as 1%ers who do world first.

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this is still incorrect lol

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Just look at his disgusting UI and that’s all you need to know about him. He doesn’t even understand the addons he whines about because he doesn’t use them.

Bartender layout of a mouthbreather.

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Where in the world are all these doomsayers getting their information?

We’re not losing add-ons.

They’re looking to ban the ones that automate gameplay, as they should be banned.

But in all seriousness…where in the world is everyone reading this stupidity and freaking out over nothing?

YouTube? Twitch? Reddit?

The WoW developers would communicate that very far in advance to the players.

Stop spreading false information.

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As a non 1 percenter…

Im in favor of removing addons. The base UI should be able to do what the addons currently do. Blizzard has failed for many years to update the base UI. Thats on them and rather humorous that they would bother to do so given their current state. Its certain though at this point that the UI doesnt need developer attention as desperately as the rest of the game and its ever changing systems needs though.

For better or worse the playerbase has that part covered for the time being. Or maybe future plans we arent aware of are actually problematic to implement with the addon situation as it currently is and this is an effort over time to change that.

Players should have the ability to Customize to their liking. The addons are there because you cant do that. Blizzard allows players to make addons but they never have had to. Cutting the cord though I don’t agree with either. Not sure what the answer is though.

I wouldnt ever miss dps addons.

Id miss stuff like bartender and tellmewhen with the ability I have to change things more to a style that appeals to me. The ability to keep track of stuff or customize the visibility of it all. Player choice essentially.

Depending on who you raid with…raid consumables AND specific addons are both not optional…

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addons like dps meters are whatever they just show the numbers you are doing which in all honestly is about following an obvious pattern of builder skills, spender skills and big dmg/defensive cds 90% of the time, but addons like wpvp spy which tells what class and player name is around you even in stealth, cooldown and DR trackers of another enemy player and even DBM to some extent do substitute player awaraness skills as a whole and this kinda of a bad thing to the game imo but its debatable, addons that automate gameplay though must be 1005 banned. At least they should try to intregate most of them in blizzard standart ui, i do not like to go to a third party website to download stuff.

thing is we might need a lot of extra ram for stuff we might not even use because it was integrated on the game’s base UI. Some people use addon for literally every info in the game.

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None of these addons that are discussed automate play. The game telegraphs these moves but the community as a whole finds it to difficult to distinguish so they have WA and DBM to play a custom sound instead.

The most they do is simplify communication like the WA for the first boss in gambit. You still have to click the icons. But if the community needs these addons than perhaps they should stop including such puzzles in the game.

There is no difference between hearing the boss emote and DBM yelling at you. The later simply allows you to adjust the volume independently as well as choose what sound you hear if any at all. This is imperative for people such as myself that are hearing impaired or that get over whelmed by visual stimuli.

If they really want the community to stop using addons than they need to stop developing fights that require their use. Scale back on the mechanics and the reaction time required and people will learn that they are not needed over the course of a couple of tiers.

If you are talking about just WA and DBM than I agree. Although even here I prefer having the addon because you get several different options that each have their own approach (DBM vs BigWigs,) it also allows you to go in and customize the sounds used as well as skinning the art assets.

If your referring to all addons. That will never happen. There are hundreds of thousands of addons out there and implementing them would be a huge recourse drain. As an example I used Duffed UI for years but it is no longer being developed so I switched to ElvUI. I have finally gotten everything to look the way I want but just by switching I now use three times the amount of RAM that Duffed used. And thats not even including other essentials like ATT, handinotes, WA, DBM, saved instances, rematch, grail, bugsack, mythic plus timer, rarescanner, worldquest tracker, and whatever auctioneer addons you might use.

And there are many addons that are not published. I have several custom ones such as one that changes several different font types to be the class color. As well as several art assets that are custom such as bars.

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