I too think Raider IO has no business in Classic and is a crutch for people who are socially inept to “prove” that they should be in your group without actually requiring social interaction.
Raider IQ > Raider IO.
P.S. Feel free to check my history but try the Classic and TBC achieves as well.
You know what they say, ‘A hit dog hollers’. Like I said, they are rabid in their defense of these systems because they have attached their self worth to it. Reminding them that it won’t be a thing in Classic infuriates them. /shrug
That type of thing can only have relevance in content that is difficult and can be done competitively. As much as i am excited for classic, there will basically be no repeatable competetive pve, so no need to have any website or addon judging success.
There was some talk on private servers of an addon that recorded time of first pull to last boss in dungeons to try to add a timed run comparison, but dont think it ever caught on. Most people just record stuff like that and wouldn’t be pugging it anyway.
I think you’ll have nothing to worry about here. There isn’t enough puggable content in the game to even warrant stuff like this in the first place.
#NoChanges dude. Dps/threat meters existed in Vanilla. Leave em in
Clueless as usual. Achievements are account-wide and the armory tracks progress by individual boss kill.
What does social ability have anything to do with it? The alternative is simply stating your experience and armorying/inspecting the character.
If you are going to be stuck with someone for 1.5+ hours in a dungeon, its only reasonable to want even the slightest assurance that that player is competent.
Anyways, raider io won’t have an effective formula in Classic. If some addon is created, it won’t be nearly as powerful. What’s more likely is the WoW armory will include character dungeon/raid progress. Place this alongside seeing a player’s gear and itemization, it will effectively be the same thing.
The alternative is creating networks of friends so that you aren’t reliant on “testing strangers” before doing an Instance. AKA Vanilla Style.
You’re talking about something entirely different. Regardless of a score or not, if a player was decent and you enjoyed playing with them, you would add them to hopefully play again.
This type of app would only help for PuGs which will likely be a big part of Classic as most of the content isn’t terribly hard by today’s standards.
Granted, I might be clueless lol. Haven’t looked at my armory since Cata or so (when I stopped playing) If so, I am looking in the wrong place, because I see nada under characters who haven’t raided at all…meh, shrug If so, I owe you an apology.
Except this is exactly what stopped happening when you could dip your hand into the sludge of Gearscore/IO/LFD itself, and get someone straight away. People stopped remembering who they grouped with.
Tell me when the last time you went on an LFD run and added someone to your friends list was?
You don’t need to apologize. You are right, at least for those of us with old accounts. My hunter has totally different raid achievements than this Lock, which are totally different from my Priest and totally different from my Druid. Maybe they were made account wide at some point, but it definitely wasn’t the case for my old account.
I just checked. Retailers are just REALLY accustomed to running to the armory and scoring mods for argument points when they can’t counter the discussion with reason. Just another reason I’ll be happy to see that nonsense dead in Vanilla.
As humbly as possible, people truly do add me all the time. I also try to add anyone that is exceptional. It’s been my experience that gearscore/io is decently accurate about how skilled a player will be.
I should mention, plenty of great players will be coming back without any recent achievements/experience (highly doubt this would even be a criterion in Classic). It would be unwise to refuse people early on because of this, and there likely won’t be a way to gauge people’s skill other than the gear they’re wearing.
When we get into Phase 3+ and people are starting to PuG more and gearing up alts, the random noob player that has no clue of itemization or mechanics will be the sole reason for a raider io addon. In either case, if they make it into a group and show their incompetence, getting kicked with no loot is in order. I’d say it’d be nicer just to refuse them.
Is ok. The dungeon & raid tab shows character specific progress while the achievements are account-wide. They would also have to have logged on the character in the last few expansions for it to catalog all of it.
Running to the armory will 100% be a thing in Classic. It might be all a person needs. Seeing as itemization is crazy and gear is harder to come by, what you’re wearing will be perhaps even better than a raider io score.
People will still be refusing to group with awful players addon or not.
Doesn’t matter to me. I have nothing to hide.
Raids won’t be puggable for a long time anyway. And from what I remember, endgame 5-mans were difficult enough that most people didn’t outright pug them, either. Anyone with a minimum level of social skills (required to succeed in vanilla) is getting into a guild by 60. And so most runs are guild runs, maybe filling a slot or two from friends lists.
Pug runs for lower level instances while leveling is more common, I think, but the content is not as difficult and everyone’s in quest greens and blues anyway.
RaiderIO and Gearscore before it are garbage addons made by terrible addon authors and supported by a terrible community. They have no place in Classic.
So anyone that checks your armory or inspects you in Classic is part of a “terrible community”? It’s the same thing.
I don’t think they’ve confirmed there will be an armory for classic, or if there is, what specific details it will have about your character.
Inspecting someone could potentially prove you did certain content as far as “they have item X and that drops from instance Y.” It’s not nearly as detailed as a raiderIO’s list of every M+ dungeon you’ve completed or even an armory search showing what bosses you’ve downed in every dungeon/raid.
There’s a big difference between looking at someone’s health/gear and saying, you know, you’re in level 30 greens and have half as much health as the next lowest person in the group, maybe you’re not ready for this vs. scrutinizing their entire dungeon career to see if they’re worthy of entering a dungeon with you.
They have not said they are gonna break ANYTHING.
what they said they might break was not anything like raider io or gearscore…
Also I find it rich that you asked someone to look at your achievements to see what you have done, when they prove how utterly mediocre you have been…
No cutting edge achieves a few ahead of the curves from MoP…
No mythic dungeons completions…
Only 2 mythic boss kills one of which is was being pugged the week after its release and the other you didn’t kill till a month after the next raid was out…
your classic and TBC achievements show that you only managed to get to Kara in BC and never even beat MC in vanilla…
So not sure what you are trying to get someone to see with your achievements…
You had party bars and focus. Obviously they managed just fine because people were downing MC before BWL. In classic they aren’t a necessity to do the content because the fluff space is so large that raids of hybrids are capable of downing every boss fight through their dps without min/maxing.
ever see someone shot with a gun, cuz we kind of do have dps meters
There isnt going to be any thing really to gauge it on. No M+ no tied to armory no multiple raid levels…
There wont be very much for it to be able to extrapolate scores and I am hoping the lack of information will make it very very hard to be utilized like it has been since WOD/legion