My builds are all ones I got for WoWhead or similar, they are the same ones common players use, maybe not those that main hunter in high end content, but the common one that likely does nothing above low mythic raiding or keys bearly above 10.
How about you come down off your high horse and try to listen to what the more common players are saying or try looking into the resources most will likely use if they are not at your level. You might learn where more of us are coming from. Also, since yo seemed to miss it:
In other words, the spec I use for solo content is the same as the one for group content that has the traps and binding shot. The only difference between the 2? delves is set for even more burst, at the cost of CC.
I think for most, it is coming from the idea we might like the changes, for the content we go petless anyway, but most of us, while not “bad” are not at the level of ones like you and Quiv. Like we might take the CC talents for group content or for times the pet dies or we are getting smacked by a mob the pet is not attacking.
Think of it like some of us like to be prepared for as many situations we can find ourselves in, and the pet was a tool we could use for that, now it is being taken away for seemingly no reason but to balance content we were not using the pet in anyway.
What are you even on about now?
Are you suggesting “common players” are incapable of reading and making decisions on their own?
Or that “common players” require wowhead and guides to function?
Tbh that point didn’t show anything other than you lumping casuals into a group of incompetence.
You spec what the guide tells you. Nothing more. You are unable to spec outside the box you have concreted yourself into.
I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I’m just an AotC gamer, that’s not really (statistically) that impressive.
I’m in support of you taking whichever talents you want or like, and in an ideal world no one would ever lose anything they like to have. Like I told Snozay, it’s fine for the game to have what people can perceive as a crutch.
And, to reiterate my stance, I think the Eagle thing is silly. I do not know why it needs to be distinct from a pet. I’m going to be honest, I’ve tried a few times to bait what I see as the easiest reasoning out of people. That being “an entity that needs controlled and has a health bar.”
But it’s easy to refute. My totems have health bars, too, and you can have pets that don’t get controlled but still pull from the Hunter pet stable (secondary pet / Dire Beast.) Thus why I’ve tried to bait it out of people. Not to get a free win, but to see where people stand, I do this a lot. It’s like baselining an argument. Forcing the establishment of even footing.
As an aside, this is the ‘correct’ alternative to forming a strawman. (Not accusing anyone, it’s just good info for anyone looking to argue with confidence.)
Incapable? no, unlikely to do so? yes. Most players, unless they are high line, tend to just import builds from WoWhead and maybe adjust based on what they feel they need. Like I always try to take cleanse on this toon for any and all content if I know I need it. I just like to use certain builds, like the M+ one, for any content that is not raid.
Same actually, but just goes to show how even at certain levels of play, there can be quite a bit of variance.
Something we both agree on, in all actuality, as far as a pocket tamnk goes (what I tend to use the pet as for solo) I’d be more then glad if it waspulled from the stable on entering combat while solo but not in group content.
You can read it however you like. But reality overrides opinion. Blizz has said they are getting rid of pets. Did you think they are doing that because they want to piss people off? No, they are doing it because it’d too hard to do the changes and keep the pet.
What you can validly accuse Blizzard of doing is being lazy. YES, you are right, they can code things and keep the pet. Make it almost useless even, does nothing useful, does nothing that will impact on the rotation. That will fulfill your need to “give us the option” to keep the pet and not make it harder to code.
At which point this thread will be replaced by “look at what they did to my poor pet. It’s useless and I cant even use it anymore”.
Keep the pet and all it’s abilities is NOT an option as it makes it harder to code and balance. At which point we have this thread.
Here is the thing that Blizzard seems to be missing: for MM, the pet was seldom more then a pocket tank/living CC. No impact on rotation at all, nothing unless we needed it for lust or, in PvP, some other utility…
thing is, Bllizzard has the tools to really code both option in, via the talent trees. the default could be what they are doing, but a talent could give us or pet back for when we are solo and is either not chosen or provides a different benefit if we go petless in group content.
It’s not based on anything more or less valid than your assumption that it would be easy to code the pet into the MM.
I’m saying that they have decided it’s too hard. My basis for this? By the fact that its being done this way. That’s all. A complete assumption, you are correct. But what’s the basis for the assumption that it would be easy?
If nothing at all is the last decade of MMs Lone Wolf being a clunky concept that has never really worked the way they wanted it to, then yes, nothing at all, I guess.
I’m not saying Blizzard can’t code this. I dont’ think anybody is. What we are saying is that Blizzard have black and white decided NOT to do it. That’s it. They can, but they wont. The ASSUMPTION from me is that it’s because it’s too hard. Yes, they are being lazy. You can believe this or not, but frankly, I think it’s still better than what you’ve given. Which is nothing.
NOBODY on the Pro Pet side has given us a reason why they think Blizz is doing what they are doing. None at all. Only that they hate the changes and by inference, Blizzard is just doing this to piss people off.
PTR will hit. The conversation will change from should these changes happens, to actually discussing the changes that are happening, and 99% of all these so-called secret MM players will forget about the conversation.
In a few years time, these same players will be wide-eyes gooing at WoWHead datamined eagle assets.
All I can provide is the reason I think Blizzard is doing it, and it is not to piss people off, it is that they have theri view of how classes should be, and try to make that vision the one in game. However, some players, like myself, have a different view of how classes/specs should be. Personally? I think my marksman hunter should be say the sniper of a military team when in party, and the societal lone wolf with animal companion when solo.
All in all, I think Blizzard is doing what they are doing so they get their vision of what MM should be, but what is pissing people off is not everyone shares that vision and those that don’t want the option to keep the pet for solo content.
That’s all a valid view. Unfortunately, this only supports the whole “pet is dead” issue. If you believe Blizz want this change for RP purposes then THAT IS IT. They are the ones that control the lore. Not you or me.
If Bliz now say that the vision for Hunter MM is pet-less, then it is a done deal. You can dislike it. You can say plenty in the forums. But if that is the actual reason, not for mechanics, not for placating Raiders, if THAT is the reason then the argument is over.
That is the thing, I don’t think they want it for RP purposes, but balance ones, but when it comes to visions/views, RP is often what people seem to resort to.
I mean taking the eagle part of what they ar doing, I can come up with something that might placate quite a few, as some of us might be happy with MM being the ranger that nature/animals answer the call of but not for more then say the moment it is needed, heading back into the wild once the need has passed.
Passive/talent: Call of the Wild: Summons a random animal from the area, or from the stable, to serve as spotter (ala the eagle) and utility when entering combat
Talant: tenacious: when solo, call of the wild summons a random tenacity beast from the area once you enter combat
