I want my dual spec of Arcane/Fire for my mage for PvE. I don’t even care about the PvP. I can’t swing by a class trainer mid raid. I want to be able to switch to fire for AoE packs and Arcane for single target if that ends up being the meta. Sounds great.
Prob should be some kind of timer on the spec change to limit that kind of debauchery…hahaha.
Not at all, I’m posting in the thread saying that not everyone gets enjoyment out of swapping specs in raids.
Do you tell ret pallies that they should be forced to heal when the raid needs it too, even if it’s not fun for them? How does that go over? Or do you think that it’s only fine for heals to be forced to swap to DPS?
I said in the first sentence that I expect dual spec to be put into SoD (and am therefore fine with it) and also said later in the post that I’m adapting to it.
Who are you exactly to tell people that being forced to swap or not get a raid spot should be fun for them? That’s what your post is saying. Telling others what is fun for them because it’s fun for you.
I agree but when there is meta and 90% of guilds follow that it can be complicated.
Cool, so should we care about people who put their own benefits before raids ? They can play a solo game if you don’t want to compromise with groups’ benefits.
Are you promoting selfishness in a social interraction game ?
Thats fair Moo. I think Season of Discovery should be about breaking the metagame or makinig classes close enough that metas become less of a hard line. Removing specific spell resistances and increasing general spell resist and armor to compensate for example so that, for example, shamans have to heal for the first 3 raid tiers. Anything that avoids raids of 17 warriors that youcan get on era would be great…lol.
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They are there as their main spec. That should be enough for reasonable people. If they want more than that, find better people.
I don’t get the feeling era is going to completely die off. I get the feeling it’s gonna be a bit more raid log than it was before.
Again raiding is a social activities, you have to compromise your own benefits with raid benefits.
What you are promoting here is to cripple groups’ benefits for personal benefits.
These people can play solo game if they put themself above raid.
Being there is social. The guild wanting to dictate my every moment playing the game is toxic. Find better guilds.
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None dictates you. You join a group, you follow the group’s rules. If a group runs on every person’s personal ideologies and preference, it’s no longer a group.
You can play alone if you don’t want to follow and rules. But then it’s your own call, wow or even real world aren’t designed for such person like you.
Average human paladin trash take. If someone plays a specific spec to have fun, you shouldn’t be able to force them to not have fun. Also, not every group has to be as optimal as possible, people are doing ICC25 heroics as meme specs ffs (You’re a wrath char, so example is valid)
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This has nothing to do with real life. It’s a videogame, made to have fun.
So your first reply claimed that I was telling others how to have fun - now you’re twisting this to social obligations?
in other words, you are fine with things not being fun for the individual as long as it helps the team? 
I did what was best for my team as explained in that post. I played with them for years That’s why I didn’t just leave… but I found that it just wasn’t fun for me. Especially with the expectation to parse as the DPS offspec with bad gear.
Yeah… I’m not playing your twisty game anymore. You only replied to me in the first place because we don’t like each other. Had anyone else made the post I did you wouldn’t have answered.
I’m pretty sure dual spec is coming but I just wanted to share a downside for some regarding dual spec. Honestly.
Sinisteria thanks for being understanding. That was super appreciated.
Yeah he is just trolling at this point. No prob man, you made fair points.
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Start shamming when you realise you are losing a debate indicates your intelligence level.
None tells you to not have fun, you play game to have fun, but your fun must compromises with groups’ benefits because they are related to others’ fun. If you don’t have fun in compromising, don’t join a group. That’s all.
Good take for removing it out of context.
So, would you think a destro lock in WotLK does this? News flash, NO ONE CARES. Your bs about groups being the main priority in this situation has been debunked many times before. Also, this game is solved, the whole point of SoD is to try new things, whether or not it’s optimal.
Dude, I main an orc warlock on an RP server, are you really going to be dull?
You have already compromised by providing your time to a dedicated effort. If the guild wants to dictate what you do in non-raid time, then they are out of line. If you have a PvP spec, thats your business.
No, what you were promoting was to put individuals’ fun above others. You said a ret shouldn’t be asked to heal when the raids need them. That means you are putting that ret above raids, his fun above his raid fellows’ fun. That’s promoting selfishness.
If he doesn’t have fun to be helpful to his raid fellows, if he thinks he should do w/e he likes ingoring his groups’ situations. Then yes, that individuals shouldn’t play this game. His mentality doesn’t fit the current society neither.
There is absolutely no reason for us to cater these individuals.