Vanilla is not min-maxing at all huh ? Tell me why raids stack warrior, mage, rogue pls ? Tell me why people raid with full wbs and consumables pls ? Why the heck are fury prot being the dominant tanks pls ? What the hell are people raiding to get loot for pls?
Nonsense.
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So, get this dude. Many specs cant farm effectively and it will cost (using Classic rates) 100g minimum per week to be able to raid and farm on these specs. Yes, lower the cost of respecs and yes, Dual Spec by 60, please. Make it 1k gold like in Wrath for all I care, but it needs to happen.
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As someone who loves dual spec, I’m willing to accept this alone as long as it is low enough. Respecs should only really cost a maximum of 5g, and even that is pushing it.
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Pvp only fun in AV? That made me puke in my mouth a bit. Pvp is fun anywhere except AV would be more truthful. And pvp is a large part of the game. You may not like it but its far from a side bar.
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50G is sufficient at level 25. Enough grinding, let’s just play.
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We already know that it is coming, at the end of the day they are going to try and appeal to the retail crowd at least a little bit. The best we can hope for is that you can only swap specs at a trainer. While I would prefer not to see dual spec, I’ll settle for that. Being able to change specs in a raid is just dumb in my opinion.
Lol.
That’s kind of sweet in a totally not aware of Classic at all way.
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I really don’t think you will see it as an option before the level 40 band, and I do expect it to not show up til 60, maybe the 50 band at best.
That’s too bad, especially with all the stuff to play with even at 25. I’d love to see it as a skill at lvl 10 for normal training fees. It would encourage experimentation and that = fun.
This season seems like the place to just let it rip, let’s do it.
Something I haven’t seen mentioned, probably because it feels so retail, is what if they added respec tomes to the game? Portable respec consumable? It could cost respec+convenience tax of like 10%, potential gold sink. If they do dual spec this wouldn’t be needed, but to be able to respec without returning to a trainer in town would have many good uses. Im not pining for this, I just haven’t seen it mentioned.
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Some one above said “infinite spec”. But in half seriousness, why stop at dual spec? With the introduction of dual spec, the premise has already been set. Blowing it wide open won’t make much of a difference.
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solution is to setup a gofundme for warlock summoners around the game world on your server, then ask for a summon to ur class trainer, and respec, then hopefully you got a warlock to summon you back
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First off, I think dual spec will be added. Secondly, I think that most of the population who wants to play SoD mostly wants dual spec too because the game is being made for people for whom their character is THE reason to play, far above any other.
Having said that I hope, although don’t expect, that some restrictions will be put in on where to change specs (like a rested area).
To explain:
I used to have an impartial view of dual spec. People kept asking for it in tbcc and I’d just shrug think “Doesn’t matter. I can do world content and do most pvp (while just swapping for arenas 1 time a week), and raid with the same healing spec just fine”. So I’d move on.
Then came Wrath and at first things seemed fine. No different than before even with dual spec. However, then began the bad part. It was no longer what was fun. it was only and ever about what was best for the raid group regardless of fun. Both specs WERE for the raid group. Anything else, like a PVP spec, you needed to pay to respec anyway. Being expected to heal and swap to DPS at any point while competing as a DPS (parse) and while only ever getting just the DPS gear dregs was not fun. That led to raid night with a long-time guild going from a fun time to being something to dread. 99% of the fun was gone. It’s on the list of 10 reasons for why I quit Wrath.
This happens to people all the time.
So yes, any guild even trying to min-max (which is 90% of them) will expect this and it’s not about what’s fun for you it’s only about what’s best for the team. That’s why I’ve been trying to research what is the best class for SoD to where I won’t be forced to do that again even when dual spec gets put in (expected). Any second spec I’d want for PVP, not to accommodate the raid.
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They should actually use Dragonflight’s respec system that lets you save like 10 different profiles per character baseline.
That will contribute significantly to our explorations and discovery.
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if they don’t want to spend dev capacity building out the UI / functionality, all we really need is the class trainers in faction specific capitals reset the gold cost increase once a day.
most people just want to PvE on raid nights and respec PvP the rest of the time
Yeah I completely understand your point. It is definitely the main negative people should focus on. Trying to find a guild that will understand you only want to play specific specs can work for some. I think that’s where itemization between specs need to have strong differences so you can’t even switch without farming a whole set. In original wrath I played resto shaman but I loved the fights that I could play ele too. Fortunately, I enjoyed both specs and my guild never pushed me to go enhance, which I also liked lol. But I wouldn’t feel the same for my shadow priest and being forced to heal.There’s not much devs can do about the min-max I think. I see the spec switching mostly useful for offtanks to be more useful when they aren’t tanking anything.
Cheaper respecs is a great compromise but might make it so whichever tank class that can dps best in tank spec wins.
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I mean, I plan on playing an Arcane mage healer. Swapping between roles is changing runes. But as we have both end game PVE and PVP content, which can have vastly different specs, it makes sense to have at least a PVE and PVP spec, even if that dual spec is only active in PVP zones.
That being said. Dual spec and respec costs have always been a nice gold sink and has little impact on gameplay to me, so sure, let them have it.
Tldr: you are telling us what fun is and how we should play to have fun, correct ?
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I feel like the last part of your post with both specs being expected for the guild and expected to dps (instead of your main spec heal for example) is really a problem with type and choice of guild. I would just leave. Guilds that match my playstyle are easy to find.
Can confirm that this argument is wrong. Can’t swap specs in combat.