Please Disable Twinking or allow people to queue for NON-twink bg's

[Aureleon-zuljin]

its not because of twinks bud, there are not enough of you to be worried about. its because there is no real incentive to do low level pvp other than for fun

I’m sorry but you have no evidence for your claims while I do since I was around at the start of vanilla to witness the amount of pvp that was being done without twinks. Also, there was a fair amount of pvp being done when ND first launched as well which again, was without twinks.

Mind you most people prioritized rushing to 60 instead of enjoying the journey, like 90% of mmorpg players do these days.

Your statement is irrelevant and I can tell your opinion will not change. All you’re doing is ignoring facts and trying to put forth baseless information that is based upon hypotheticals.

I bid you good day sir

[Pyro-nazjatar]

you did not prove a thing, so good riddance. i played in vanilla and on ND too

what happened 14 years ago is no longer relevant, this is 2019. of course my opinion wont change, just like yours wont either. not sure why you expect me too, just because you said a few things

[Aureleon-zuljin]

you did not prove a thing, so good riddance. i played in vanilla and on ND too

what happened 14 years ago is no longer relevant, this is 2019

The fact that twinking was never intended and Blizzard went on record stating it is still a fact. Twinking ruining pvp in lower brackets for players that don’t twink is a fact. I HIGHLY doubt you played vanilla in 2004 judging from the fact that you lack the comprehension to see the validity of my statements

[Rektium-firetree]

You are complaining that it’s not fair going vs twinks as a none twink. When in reality that is the nature of lower lvl bg’s. A level 11 can’t kill a level 19 a warrior will 90% of the time die to a 19 hunter. The nature of pvp at lower levels is not balanced. So why are you so concerned about twinks?

[Pyro-nazjatar]

i dont care what you believe, the good news is twinking will be around in classic because they are not changing the game

enjoy!

[Boomsky-moonrunner (Boomsky)]

there was a fair amount of pvp being done when ND first launched

Spoiler alert, that’s because everyone was leveling at the server’s start. After a few months, most people have outleveled the early pvp brackets, and the server doesn’t get a influx of new players high enough to sustain the low lvl pvp scene (or even the horde side pve scene lul).

How can you be so close yet so far from the truth? Keep clutching your “muh 2004 bgs release population” that has nothing to do with how the BG pop is in pservers and will be in Classic.

[Aureleon-zuljin]

there was a fair amount of pvp being done when ND first launched

Spoiler alert, that’s because everyone was leveling at the server’s start. After a few months, most people have outleveled the early pvp brackets, and the server doesn’t get a influx of new players high enough to sustain the low lvl pvp scene (or even the horde side pve scene lul).

How can you be so close yet so far from the truth? Keep clutching your “muh 2004 bgs release population” that has nothing to do with how the BG pop is in pservers and will be in Classic.

And until pvp twinking became an issue there were still multiple instances of pvp being done in lower brackets in vanilla. Not a single person here can do anything other than state “Lawl this feature wasn’t in vanilla so it won’t be in classic, so I’m just gonna continue to abuse an oversight in the development of the game instead of changing something that would benefit everyone, including the people twinking”

I will no longer dignify your posts with a response because you cannot see the benefits this provides to everyone.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Also nax gear is just an example. 1-2 shots @60 can happen with just molten core gear. ‘3 minute’ mages (ZG + MC trink) can literally 1 shot (instant pyro crit). There’s a famous vid of a hand of rag enhance shaman killing people in a single wind fury proc. 1-2 shots will only happen more frequently as BWL and then AQ40 release. The average non-raider lvl 60 health pool is like 3.5 - 4 k. And the majority of BG players will be non-raiders.

The gear disparity is FAR FAR greater at 60 than any other bracket.

Surprises me how volatile level 60 play actually is and that’s perfectly OK, but once you’re not at level cap volatile game play is now suddenly something we should ban.

The lack of contiguous fact patterns from some people really surprises me, but in reality the frequency is so high that it shouldn’t any more.

[Pyro-nazjatar]

we would rather you stop posting anyway. good riddance

[Warincarnate-trollbane]

Nah man, twinks are cheating because no 19 should go into a game and think yea these enemy 19’s they have legitimate access to crusader enchants and helm enchants. They totally farmed that on that character right.

Brackets should have restrict items/enchants from their actual bracket. If you can’t get it on your 19/29/39/49 groups (and no, partying with a 60 isn’t the same thing). Naturally librams and crusader etc all should of had a minimum level req to prevent this but this was this first time around. They didn’t even think of the concept of a twink.

[Aureleon-zuljin]

we would rather you stop posting anyway. good riddance

Translation: “Someone has a different opinion/idea on how to do something, how dare they have an opinion supported with facts different than my own? You don’t deserve the right to post your ideas in a public place!”

Spot the radical mentality being portrayed

Nah man, twinks are cheating because no 19 should go into a game and think yea these enemy 19’s they have legitimate access to crusader enchants and helm enchants. They totally farmed that on that character right.

Brackets should have restrict items/enchants from their actual bracket. If you can’t get it on your 19/29/39/49 groups (and no, partying with a 60 isn’t the same thing). Naturally librams and crusader etc all should of had a minimum level req to prevent this but this was this first time around. They didn’t even think of the concept of a twink.

Exactly. People assume that the game should just be left the way it is because they simply just want to argue for the sake of argument and cannot see the benefits in the long term.

[Pyro-nazjatar]

you are just stating opinions. i dont believe twinks are the reason the brackets are dead

where is your proof?

[Boomsky-moonrunner (Boomsky)]

And until pvp twinking became an issue there were still multiple instances of pvp being done in lower brackets in vanilla

Now you’re just being willfully ignorant and trolling. It can’t possibly be because people are outleveling the brackets, it *must be because people started twinking!!!11

the benefits this provides to everyone

[citation needed]

yea these enemy 19’s they have legitimate access to crusader enchants and helm enchants. They totally farmed that on that character right.

Fun fact: people actually do farm hundreds of gold on level 19s. You can get 30-40g/h fishing the right things.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Spot the radical mentality being portrayed

So what is the problem with the level brackets???

I know you claimed you “Had too” in order to compete but did you really participate long term??

Why would you do so knowing there was zero character advancement by participating in the low level PVP??

Why would you do that if you were feeling as if you were not competitive??

[Warincarnate-trollbane]

And how would you do that without leveling out of 19, since exp off is not part of classic. That leaves you to mobs that are about level 12 or lower. GL with that, and you know in principle crusader and librams were never designed for characters below 60.

[Boomsky-moonrunner (Boomsky)]

You didn’t gain experience from BGs until Wrath of the Lich King. You don’t gain experience from fishing. Get your facts right before posting.

you know in principle crusader and librams were never designed for characters below 60.

Is that why crusader didn’t have a level requirement at any point throughout every single expansion?

[Warincarnate-trollbane]

Because they made a mistake and were amateur designers they never though people would twink.

[Rektium-firetree]

Sentiment stays the same. Low level bg’s were and never will be balanced even without twinking. So the end result is the same.

[Boomsky-moonrunner (Boomsky)]

Don’t like it don’t queue for lowbie BGs.

Agreed to Rektium’s post. Low lvl PVP is broken beyond repair in any case. Warriors are still going to be completely useless while priests/hunters dominate the scene in the 19 bracket. Even with all the stupid limitations OP wants to implement, it still wouldn’t change the fact that a lvl 19 with full blue gear would 1v5 level 10-15s in white gear.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Because they made a mistake and were amateur designers they never though people would twink.

The gaming term “twink” not the other one… came from older MMORPG’s like EQ.

There is a reason why gear is BoP.

Blizzard knew people would build powerful low level characters, it’s a natural component of these kinds of games and has been since Early multi player RPG’s.