Please Disable Twinking or allow people to queue for NON-twink bg's

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

I would raise the min. level on the extremely powerful enchants…like crusader, highest agility, etc…

No changes.

Yea thats fair enough… I forget when the min lvl on enchants were changed, I think it was a good change overall. twinks still got to be powerful, just not broken…

Having a twink rogue walk around at lvl 29 with unholy and crusader, is a little silly xD

what’s the difference between getting owned by a level 29 twink and a fresh 60 getting wrecked by a GM/HWL/Highly geared 60?

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Respectfully, I disagree. Finding the optimal gear/enchants and decking out a lil’ fella in those goodies is a super great time! An excellent way to burn some hours.

There is a huge difference between “decking out a lil’ fella in those goodies” to compete with other “lil’ fellas decked out in those goodies” and “decking out a lil fella in those goodies” to steamroll lesser geared players.

Those who’s motivation is the former have my respect, while the latter group have my disdain.

what is the difference between joe the twink owning people in his level 29 bracket and john the warrior owning fresh 60 plebs with his GM gear?

both are using the advantages they worked towards to put themselves in a position to dominate.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

I would raise the min. level on the extremely powerful enchants…like crusader, highest agility, etc…

No changes.

Yea thats fair enough… I forget when the min lvl on enchants were changed, I think it was a good change overall. twinks still got to be powerful, just not broken…

Having a twink rogue walk around at lvl 29 with unholy and crusader, is a little silly xD

what’s the difference between getting owned by a level 29 twink and a fresh 60 getting wrecked by a GM/HWL/Highly geared 60?

A fresh lvl 60 can reasonably be expected to spend some time at level 60 to run around AV getting rep gear and 5-man blues and get slightly less wrecked until AQ/Naxx comes out. If you play your rock, paper, scissors right, some specs can take down a MC or so equipped raider while naked.

A R14 has put in the time to gear up their own character, and is not carried by another higher level character. Twinking necessarily means you progress forwards then backwards to gain an advantage in an earlier stage. Gearing up is just progressing forwards to gain an advantage at a later or endgame stage.

For the record, I dislike 20’s PvP once more than 20% of the players are twinks, and I dislike 60’s PvP when AQ/Naxx gear starts rolling in. 40’s/50’s is best.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

I would raise the min. level on the extremely powerful enchants…like crusader, highest agility, etc…

No changes.

Yea thats fair enough… I forget when the min lvl on enchants were changed, I think it was a good change overall. twinks still got to be powerful, just not broken…

Having a twink rogue walk around at lvl 29 with unholy and crusader, is a little silly xD

what’s the difference between getting owned by a level 29 twink and a fresh 60 getting wrecked by a GM/HWL/Highly geared 60?

A fresh lvl 60 can reasonably be expected to spend some time at level 60 to run around AV getting rep gear and 5-man blues and get slightly less wrecked until AQ/Naxx comes out. If you play your rock, paper, scissors right, some specs can take down a MC or so equipped raider while naked.

A R14 has put in the time to gear up their own character, and is not carried by another higher level character. Twinking necessarily means you progress forwards then backwards to gain an advantage in an earlier stage. Gearing up is just progressing forwards to gain an advantage at a later or endgame stage.

For the record, I dislike 20’s PvP once more than 20% of the players are twinks, and I dislike 60’s PvP when AQ/Naxx gear starts rolling in. 40’s/50’s is best.

what i see is -

two people put in the time and effort and got advantages from it and people are unhappy about one, but not the other.

[Koushi-dragonblight (Koushi)]

I would raise the min. level on the extremely powerful enchants…like crusader, highest agility, etc…

No changes.

Yea thats fair enough… I forget when the min lvl on enchants were changed, I think it was a good change overall. twinks still got to be powerful, just not broken…

Having a twink rogue walk around at lvl 29 with unholy and crusader, is a little silly xD

what’s the difference between getting owned by a level 29 twink and a fresh 60 getting wrecked by a GM/HWL/Highly geared 60?

A fresh lvl 60 can reasonably be expected to spend some time at level 60 to run around AV getting rep gear and 5-man blues and get slightly less wrecked until AQ/Naxx comes out. If you play your rock, paper, scissors right, some specs can take down a MC or so equipped raider while naked.

A R14 has put in the time to gear up their own character, and is not carried by another higher level character. Twinking necessarily means you progress forwards then backwards to gain an advantage in an earlier stage. Gearing up is just progressing forwards to gain an advantage at a later or endgame stage.

For the record, I dislike 20’s PvP once more than 20% of the players are twinks, and I dislike 60’s PvP when AQ/Naxx gear starts rolling in. 40’s/50’s is best.

what i see is -

two people put in the time and effort and got advantages from it and people are unhappy about one, but not the other.

Yes, because they did it in different ways. If you go full reductionism, you could say two people put in time and effort to get gold, but people are unhappy about people who buy gold with cash but not people who just farmed in game.

[Pounder-barthilas]

They have stated that this is to be how original wow was regarding game play an all! Hazzikostas has stated this includes things that are NOT the best game design.

So i guarantee if Twinking was a thing in 1.12, according to their scope, Twinking will be a thing.

Vanilla was not a perfect game, therefore dont expect perfection in classic, some things will be ‘broken’ intentionally.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

A fresh lvl 60 can reasonably be expected to spend some time at level 60 to run around AV getting rep gear and 5-man blues and get slightly less wrecked until AQ/Naxx comes out. If you play your rock, paper, scissors right, some specs can take down a MC or so equipped raider while naked.

Can’t wait to hear:Get gear scrub! Fresh 60’s don’t belong in bg’s. Go run some dungeons.

A R14 has put in the time to gear up their own character, and is not carried by another higher level character.

You’re right because they are carried by a whole team and some will collude other players/guilds of the same faction and even the opposition. Essentially allowing players to pick next week’s winner? Win trading. Yea. I’d say it’s worse. You will not get rank 14 solo. Good luck and God speed trying. You can get it if your server and team allows it though.

[Pípíkaula-proudmoore]

It feels like the same people who are pro-twinking in retail are going to be the same ones polluting classic. i saw someone say “blizzard is going to ruin classic.” Not really. It will be the players drooling over making the game less fun for others. And they think their queues are long now!

[Goonq-illidan]

99% of the player base isnt twinking. Stop moaning about a non problem. You sound like Ion.

[Starz-boulderfist]

Hazzikostas

I would have said Ion. I salute you for your hard work in spelling they name

[Chawana-altar-of-storms (Chawana)]

Of a sample from a forum for a game that doesn’t even have a release date, of which many of the participants could be considered ideological fanatics.

Not exactly an unbiased survey there.

“I find a reason to disregard data and that makes me right.”

Oh boy.

It feels like the same people who are pro-twinking in retail are going to be the same ones polluting classic. i saw someone say “blizzard is going to ruin classic.” Not really. It will be the players drooling over making the game less fun for others. And they think their queues are long now!

Twinking in retail? I didn’t get BfA, but I thought it wasn’t a thing anymore.

If you mean Classic, then you don’t understand the purpose behind them making these servers in the first place.

“Making the game less fun for others” is the nature of world PvP and winning loot over someone; stop using this stretched logic to try and change Classic to emulate retail.

If there’s something I don’t know and misunderstood you, please let me know.

[Mergons-terenas]

Besides twink there are mostly nubs playing bg at lower lvls, be glad there are people keeping the bg alive.

[Ephemere-burning-blade (Ephemere)]

This is a complete non issue. BG’s wont be a thing until a after release (timeline currently pending). Twinks will take some time to develop. If you decide to twink in a certain bracket most people will out level the bracket within a few weeks. Why this was brought up I have no clue.

[Pyro-nazjatar]

it is very much alive in bfa

[Ipsan-azjolnerub]

I know it’s not twinking, but as you said, it’s the same problem. Someone did more sooner and now significantly outgears you. I’ve never understood how that;s a rationale for anything and would argue that that exact situation is why Blizz screwed up so much of the progression system in WoW.

[Ipsan-azjolnerub]

I had no idea my job in pvp was to make your game fun by, apparently, letting you win. You know, 'cuz fairness and all that…

[Eilane-kilrogg]

Whew, those 100 people ( assuming they’re not on alts liking their own stuff… ) sure are the “majority” of the WoW population.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Whew, those 100 people ( assuming they’re not on alts liking their own stuff… ) sure are the “majority” of the WoW population.

did i say that? no. i did not.
i just said that it seems those against twinking are in the minority. and all the data we have right here supports that theory.

but tell you what. you go ahead and poll every single person who plans to play classic on their thoughts on whether or not twinking should be in classic.

[Chawana-altar-of-storms (Chawana)]

Whew, those 100 people ( assuming they’re not on alts liking their own stuff… ) sure are the “majority” of the WoW population.

As opposed to…what? There’s a clear disparity either way.

If you want to make an argument, make it about people outside the forums; the point about them being a ‘majority’ of the WoW population was never made…IIRC, a point about the majority of those in this thread may have been mentioned.

Go ahead and keep understanding things in a convenient way, though.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Whew, those 100 people ( assuming they’re not on alts liking their own stuff… ) sure are the “majority” of the WoW population.

did i say that? no. i did not.
i just said that it seems those against twinking are in the minority. and all the data we have right here supports that theory.

but tell you what. you go ahead and poll every single person who plans to play classic on their thoughts on whether or not twinking should be in classic.

Well no, twinking seems to be an extreme minority population. Blizzard proved that when they gave twinks their own queues and those queues died. And by extreme minority so small that they couldn’t even pop a single BG across an entire battle group.