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Unfortunately, if it was run with master looter, it is theirs to do whatever with. It’s why they often warn people to know who they’re running with, because you’re trusting that person to follow through and dole out the gear as was stated.
If you’ve got your ticket in with their names and the piece of gear in question and all other relevant information as to the loot rules laid out and everything? If the GMs decide they were in the wrong, then the item will be removed from their inventory. It most likely will not be given back to you, but they will not gain anything from their misdeed.
Haven’t seen this for awhile.
Let me guess, the actual loot was set as master looter?
If so, they can distribute the loot in any matter they seem fit.
Was it a douche move? Yes. Is it against the rules?
You won’t. It’s around 8 days currently. The time is based on the longest ticket in the queue and not a countdown timer.
Not sure if anything can be done.
Sorry this happened to you, but Blizzard has no way to determine what main spec or off spec is for a particular player, and they NEVER accepted ms>os as loot rules they could do anything about. We as players understand what it usually means, but unless it was typed out explicitly in a chat window in the game what ms and os means, then Blizzard can’t really do anything.
Except it was typed out. And in the report feature in game it specifically mentions ms>os…
They can also see my rolls for the item and the conversation about buying it from me and me politely declining.
And that’s good because if the logs are clear than it is more likely that whomever ended up with the helm will have it removed.
That was the thing with the game in those days before server connections and all of that. In your community, your reputation will follow you. While you can’t sit in Trade chat and lambast them by name for being ninja looters, word does get around. They will find themselves struggling to make groups if this is how they do things.
I am sorry this is your first step into raiding, it’s not a great way to start off that journey. And I’m sorry there isn’t a better answer here for you. This is how Blizzard operated with those expansions and that is how they continue to work with that “classic experience”.
the wait time won’t make a difference to the answer.
ms>os is not “loot rules”.
masterlooter is the master of the loot.
you might benefit from seeking a guild
You can report them which you did and if a loot scam can be verified, the item will be removed but not redistributed. I concur with the rest that GM’s do not take ms>os as sufficient proof of ninjalooting.
Because even though you may not get the piece you should have won, then it (a) leaves a mark on their account and if it is or becomes a regular issue, they can be sanctioned for it and (b) they should not benefit from ill-gotten gains.
You wont get the items given to you, at best, they will be removed from whomever got them, but beyond that theres really nothing to be done.
Even for the above to happen, there needs to be a clear - loot rules are xyz posted in chat, not just an assumption or ms/os as that could theoretically mean anything.
Unless specific loot rules were stated saying you’re promised a certain item ( it would need to be typed out in game chat ) There is likely nothing a GM can do.
And no ms / os are not specific loot rules.
No. MS/OS is extremely vague to be honest.
It means MS OS, highest roll wins. If nothing is stated as res and a item is linked for a roll. It is given to the highest roller who can use it. a GM can award and/or take away loot that is “ninjad”
it will take many tickets until you get a GM with the appropriate ranking/willingness to do effort to do it.
But the issue is - MS could mean anything. OS could mean anything to. We all assume main spec / off spec. It has to be very specific.
If policy states they can’t assist in this matter then no GM is going to risk their job.
It doesn’t.
Do you know what a GM can/can’t do? Because you seem very speculative in your posts.
Be around for a long time. Thanks for the concern. I, however, certainly don’t condone GM harassment by opening ticket after ticket in the hope to get a favorable result.
Don’t get me wrong, OP can certainly submit a ticket - but be prepared for a negative response.
Well, it doesn’t work that way, you cannot farm for GMs to give you what you want. This is why I enjoyed Personal Loot, no loot drama.
Blizzard has always been hands off when it comes loot distribution, especially when Master Looter is involved. The Master looter is the lead to do with loot as he pleases. It doesn’t matter what the “rules” are, what is rolled, or what is said in chat. They have never intervened in the decision of the Master Looter and won’t in this case either.
That is why, back in the day, people kept running lists of “ninja looters” and they’d go on blast on that servers forum.
most of the people you’re talking to, are intimately familiar with policies, and what GMs can and can’t do.
this has been deemed too ambiguous.
“ms” isn’t always the role the player is filling. many times, people play their offspec just to get the raid underway… but they’re not interested in loot for that spec.
unless there is some way to know which player is playing their main spec, and which are playing their offspec and want mainspec loot… there’s no specific rules to be enforced.
this is just deja vu.
all of this was covered at length when it was an issue originally… and it’s the reason why personal loot exists in the current game.