The only people not caring for the health of the game are the ones swarming one faction and then asking for changes that will quite literally kill the game so they can get around the consequences of their actions.
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Faction transfers from overpopulated Horde realms to underpopulated Alliance realms will not break the game.
My only problem with faction transfers, is that it needs to be one way, horde to alliance. Or you just make the problem worse, with people rolling alliance to gear up, before switching to horde for broken racials.
Yes, I would want it to be a one time thing for only certain servers in certain situations. It would entirely be for the purpose of funneling more PvPers to Alliance.
I take several issues with this argument
Premades aren’t happening en masse because people want to premade and play with friends. They’re doing it to maximize their HPH, it was true in Vanilla Classic and in TBCC it’s just as true. Obviously people who premade make friends along the way and become acquainted with them, but many premades were and are formed around finding geared players who can play endlessly to maximize their HPH.
Premades are a symptom of current gamer mentality, not the overwhelming desire of the community. If Blizzard decided all premades must play against other premades and they realized that random BG queueing was better HPH they would do that and the premade meta would die overnight. If they realized that WPvP was the best HPH they’d do that. Whatever the best way to farm honor is going to be maximized and right now that’s premades.
Secondly you say you’re baffled by it, but I don’t know why you would be. Imagine if you will that nearly every BG you queue into is a premade and you get curbstomped to the point where you decide it’s not worth it to play because that’s obviously just not fun (maybe the masochists enjoy it, who knows). Now couple that with the fact that a lot of people playing Classic came back to relive/recreate memories they had. I know for me personally I did A LOT of random BGs as a solo player and then the same in TBC with arenas.
I mean is anyone really surprised that people are upset that they go into a matchup and just got rolled over? Who would find that fun? I know a lot of players relish in the random BG aspect of the game where you queue in and hop you get a good group and try to win a game against a bunch of other randoms, and if you win great, if you lose that happens too. Sometimes you spend all day trying to win a match and other days you just roll them. That has largely not been possible throughout the classic game.
Even if they decide to join in on the premade aspect premading isn’t really all that’s cracked up to be if you’re deadset on maximizing HPH. You’re either curbstomping a random team into oblivion that gives up and stops rezzing or you go against a premade and one gives up when they realize they can’t win so they can queue back into a pug. Personally premades caused me to check out of PvP in Classic. I was either going to AV spam myself to boredom or be fodder for AB/WSG. Premading wasn’t a realistic option anyways because it wasn’t really what I wanted nor did I have the time to dedicate the way premade teams operated in Vanilla.
That’s not to say that there’s a clear cut answer here on the best course of action. You can either say “Deal with it because this is what was allowed back then” and in a lot of ways that’s totally fair, but then you have to ask yourself is it worth it to let premade groups rule BG land and that if you’re just a solo or casual PvPer that you basically have lost access to it because every BG you queue into you’re basically just fodder for gearing them up?
Blizzard introduced the buff storing mechanic into Vanilla (way too late if you ask me) given how players were metagaming them to the point of raidlogging and how others griefed them. It certainly opens the doors to adjusting aspects like there where a portion of the playerbase is ruining the gameplay experience for others.
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or thinking faction changes will solve this, yes some might bite and take it but would enough people faction change over to alliance to better the ques or be that person that expects others to do it so they can stay horde.
Oh get over your sanctimonious self. Fake, fake, fake.
The fix isn’t up to me, and it’s not up to Blizzard. If anything, you should be shaking your finger at Horde and telling them to reroll . . . for the health of the game.
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Ya’ll realize that if you check out ironforge and look at the population breakdown there’s 30k players, 14k being Alliance and 16k being horde?
Overall population isn’t unbalanced, not even over in retail land. Server imbalance continues to perpetuate itself, but BGs are cross-server.
This comes back to “do you trust blizzard to make careful and targeted solutions”. Their handling of free transfers in classic vanilla was abysmal, so I don’t trust them at all.
I do that too. The Alliance narcissists not being open-minded to other solutions while taunting people over a miserable game experience are some of the most toxic and obnoxious people I have ever seen in a video game.
Not everything needs to be diagnosed and picked apart. If you want to do that, go for it. People wanted more organized pvp and that’s all it is. Organization yields better rewards.
Not much else to it.
We are not talking about raw number balance bub. We are talking about PvP balance. We are talking about queues. The fact that Alliance has more PvE players than Horde is immaterial.
They are still upset about an experience in “phase 2” of classic that most people werent even a part of.
No, they only tried to improve matchmaking so premades are prioritized against other premades.
Dunno if they put it in tbc classic
Our empathy died with p2 vanilla classic.
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If that was true enabling premade vs premade BGs only wouldn’t cause the premade meta to die. Want to take a bet on what would happen if they ever do that?
Not really even sure what you mean by this statement anyways. Retail has plenty of organized PvP as well and Classic wasn’t launched to fix that.
Idk what you want from me. Doing content in an organized fashion yields better results = better rewards.
its.not.rocket.science.
i do not
take this heretic away!
I KNOW you’re not talking to me. Look at my post history:
- No merc mode
- One-way faction transfers from Horde to Alliance
- Honor increase for Alliance to incentivize more Alliance to queue up
And when the rubber meets the road nothing, NOTHING, the player base says will have anything to do with what Blizzard decides. They dgaf. They hate us. Seriously hate us because we’re playing TBC instead of whaling it up in their retail cash shop. It’s up to individual players to fix their own thing. Suggesting Blizzard do this or Blizzard do that is a waste of time. Half these hand-wringing Horde could have made it to Outland by now.
But you don’t care about any of that. You just want to don your paper halo and play “that guy” for some reason.
No one disputes that.
That doesn’t change the crux of the issue for what that results for a gameplay experience for anyone not participating in the meta.