Alright, it won’t work because of game engine and resources. Let’s take your point and deal with reality like you suggest. You’re claiming that one of the highest-grossing MMORPG’s of all time, and the current top played MMO on the market (a title retained for many years at various intervals) merged with one of the most profitable developer companies in the industry (Activision), doesn’t have the resources to implement a feature that every other MMO on the market has, and some with significantly less revenue and manpower. That is your position. Very reality based indeed.
I say, you have missed the mark on reality and are confusing a philosophical issue with a technical one. Blizzard is not missing the technical means to implement a housing mode, they are missing the design philosophy and the will to want to build one. And that is why the post throughout advocated for a shift in design philosophy that benefits all features of the game, and why it is much bigger than garrisons or player housing.
We have been promised player housing for over 10 yrs. The game engine is constantly being updated. Many mmo’s with less than capable engines have player housing. Sorry but that argument holds no water
You are being disingenuous. There were plenty of items and dimensions that you could only purchase with cash. As much as you claim that it all dropped in raids, it did not. If you wanted the better looking stuff you opened your wallet.
And again, they have had zero new content in eons, yet that store refreshes pretty frequently. As to your challenge of my premise, I urge you to check out what you lauded as great. But like I said before rose colored glasses.
everquest for example. And this engine is constantly being updated, as for source, look ta the requirement to run the game back when WoW came out as compared to the requirements of today.
that isn’t due to the game engine changing - that is due to the graphic updates.
this is what I read about EQ housing - sounds like a huge difference between that game and WoW. And I imagine EQ2 is working on a different game engine than the original as well although it really doesn’t matter I guess if they selected a game engine that can handle good housing to begin with.
Housing and Housing items?
EQ2 wins this hands down. The game was built with it in mind from launch. There are thousands and thousands of items you can decorate a house (or guild hall) with. You can put crafting stations, silos, market boards, npc’s etc into it. EQ1 has some kind of system too but maybe only for guilds? Either way it was too lame for me to bother with. Where in eq2 I actually had fun putting my apartment together with things I gathered on my adventures.
I didnt claim “it all dropped from raids” never said that anywhere, and never would. Long before WoW had wow tokens, rift has credit tokens where you can use your in-game plat to get credits if something is locked behind credits. but, again, as someone who is currently and actively playing rift, your suggestion that all the good stuff is locked behind real money is just unequivocally false.
Don’t mind me, just came to mention that blizzard was going to put player housing in vanilla but Mark Kern himself cut it for time with the intent to revisit it later.
Very true. The game is capable of handing it and it was promised, and mentioned by other devs they were still “interested in implementing” player housing. I just hope garrisons was not what they envisioned.
I just logged into it, want my ID? I spent thousands on that game. I get it, you want to push a narrative, I am just clearing it up.
Enjoying all that new content? Meaning the store items you can no longer even buy with rex? Yeah, I hop on every few months, I miss it too. But reality is just that. I am sorry you are trying to avoid it to push a narrative.
This is why I don’t want housing. Once Rift realized they made more off of RMT the game suffered, but yo those dimensions were epic! I get you want housing, but you coming from that game and saying oh but make bank, and not acknowledging that this caused the downfall of that game is well silly.
I don’t care about new content in rift because I understand it’s a dead game. I, like others, can still enjoy quiet dimensioning. You spent thousands on the game, and yet much of that was optional. There are dimension item loot boxes for credits, and yet those credits are obtainable with plat and those items are infinitely tradable and sellable between players for free and for plat. If you are part of the dimensioning community you know the free-flowing nature of dimension items. No one is letting real money hold them or anyone else back. I’m calling you out on your specific claim that building in rift is not locked behind real money, and you want to raise extraneous points and fall into some kind of ad hominem, and I’m just not going to tolerate that. The state of Rift and the infectious nature of corporatism doesn’t change the fact that you can build in Rift, and build well, without spending money
Will you admit the RMT? Nah, you just say it can be avoided, which tells me you never played at it’s prime and that’s fine. You avoid the reason it’s dead, and that’s all due to RMT which is what you are trying to push here.
In my experience in the forum, the term “player housing” means a different set of features for each player. In other words they all SAY the want the same thing, when they each actually want a different set of things.
But Blizzard can’t do 20 different things. In my opinion, that is the MAIN reason it hasn’t been implemented. Step 1 is players getting their act together and agreeing on ONE set of feature they are all requesting. Then ask Blizzard for that ONE set of features, and maybe Blizzard will do it.
After all, Blizzard already DID implement a feature that had MANY of the requested features of player housing: your own place, you could hearth there, you could do professions there, and many many more things. Garrisons. But player said “no, no, no, that isn’t the feature set we call player housing”.
I’ve played other MMOs that had “player housing”. I was delighted by WoW Garrisons, which gave me FAR MORE useful abilities than player housing gave me in those other games.
So what is it? You can continue to ask for impossible fantasies. Or you can figure out what “player housing” means, and agree on a set of features.
Your suggestion that garrisons were player housing and included an opaque “many many” features that players asked for is mind-bogglingly out of touch with every single comment on this thread and every post and discussion I have ever seen or heard on Garrisons since WoD. I have never heard any iteration of the sentence “I was delighted by WoW Garrisons,” and I’m not offended by your well entitled view so much as the idea that you are under the presupposition that your position is so correct that you can talk down at people with it. Who asked for those features you mentioned? When did content creators or forums note their success? You gave away your own smoking gun by saying what’s wrong with these features is the player’s fault and you loved garrisons and therefore enjoyed its features. I hate to drag you into reality several years later, but you are alone on that island. Blaming players for failing to define something for Blizzard to implement when there has been a consensus for years around the manifold failures of garrisons…That’s a new one. Let’s gloss over the fact that every other MMO on the market has player housing, and it’s base components and features are practically universal from game to game. If you read other posts, it’s clear what people are asking for. You seem to be the only person living in a fantasy
In what way are Garrisons housing? It’s a fort. It’s for military use. It’s not furnishable, it’s very limited in customization. All of them are the same. If you wanna know what people consider housing, look at ESO and FFXIV. That’s player housing. And FFXIV has free company (guild) housing.