Plus the fact that they left the Shadowlands to capture Anduin, Thrall and Jaina.
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Exactly. There have been multiple instances of Shadowlands races leaving the realm, and nothing backing up the claim they aren’t able to.
I already mentioned this, as stated in game.
Only the Kyrian/Mawsworn
Where exactly do you get that from?
I haven’t seen anywhere where they say the dead can’t pass into the living realm.
Though I have seen evidence that suggests they can. The Mawsworn do so, the undead themselves can exist there, kyrian do so, spirit healers and val’kyr do it… That horseman guy who gets you your mount for Death Knights.
Seems there are a lot of ways for the dead to walk among the living and apparently… vice versa.
Like I don’t see why the Covenants would throw in with a single faction, but I don’t see anywhere that says they wouldn’t be able to be there.
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And the only reason we can enter the SL with out living bodies which goes against all the lores of the living and dead world staying seperate? As well as remain there for as long as we want, especially in the maw which is supposed to be very off limits to the living. Seriously they could easily write lore to let them leavethe SL.
Your quote only mentions why we can leave the SL which isn’t what I said anything about, I said how can we go INTO the SL. Why did blizz want to break that lore thats been there forever? Because they break and change lore all the time.
The dead/scourage roaming around Azeroth are those who haven’t been allowed/able to pass through to the shadowlands. Whether that’s because of necromancy or some kind of unfinished business.
The mawsworn/kyrian can, though it requires a lot of anima (explained in the campaign), Val’kyr are from Odyn, not the shadowlands. They are however related to the Kyrian. I’m not sure if that connection is explored much beyond a few quests in the maw though.
I’m fairly certain it was Blizzard themselves stating the races, beyond Kyrian and Dreadlords, can’t leave, I’ll see if I can’t find the actual interview for it. Though it seems only special circumstances or a lot of power/anima can help someone breach the veil/barrior separating the realms.
That’s explained in game, again it ties back to our connection to Azeroth.
Nothing was broken, new stuff was added to the old stuff.
We have portals to our cities… so easy peasy for them right now.
It takes a lot of anima to open the path.
There isn’t a single bit of evidence saying these covenants cannot pass to our world perfectly fine.
Doesn’t explain Talia or any of the other heroes who don’t have that connection… they’d otherwise be able to use the gateway from The Maw to Oribos.
The player characters have that connection not the others.
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I’m sorry to shoot you down on this.
Imo whatever races “live” (oh the irony) in the Shadowlands should stay in the Shadowlands.
With some few exceptions based on their roles to keep the balance such as the Kyrian or the House of Eyes based on that one clip. No one should be allowed to leave the Shadowlands to live outside of it if they have already died (except the godlike beings in Ardenweald).
That’s just the way it should be Imo.
Hang on I just read I did a spelling mistake in there, I put “with out living…” I meant “with our* living”. So the connection to azeroth means we can go to the shadowlands freely with our living bodies and go back and forth as much as we want. Despite in the past the lore saying both worlds aren’t allowed to meet that way.
Exactly, so they can add new stuff to allow the beings from the shadowlands to enter the living world and stay too. There you go, they can just add “new stuff to the old stuff.”
Tell that to the Drust and Dreadlords.
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Should that not be the same for the living? Should the living stay in the land of the living?
And no one should be allowed to enter the shadowlands to live inside of it if they’re still alive. Yet we’re all alive and entering freely back and forth in our living bodies and can go back and forth for as long as we want forever. Since they probably can’t close it off and say next expansion we’re no longer able to access shadowlands zones since the damage has been repaired. Theres no reason now why some races can’t choose to leave the SL, the same way we can choose to stay.
Well what if they add just 2 playable races, the Kyrian and the House of eyes necrolords. One for each faction, you said yourself they have the ability to leave the SL.
I think canonically in the story the player characters stay in the Shadowlands for the entire expansion and don’t use the city portals (if they even are canon?) at all. It’s like how we canonically never left alternate Draenor until after Archimonde was defeated and then all portals to it were closed.
I am well aware that there are unimportant living NPCs around Oribos but I think those are just meant to be non canon Easter eggs of iconic characters or references to books. Taking mounts, pets and companions outside of the Shadowlands are also not canon Imo.
As far as I’m concerned. Every single living NPC are leaving the Shadowlands as soon as the Shadowlands expansion is over and we will canonically close off the rift and portals. The portals will still be there for gameplay reasons but as far as the story goes, they will be closed.
The Kyrian that ferry souls and the House of Eyes occasionally spying on reality (for anything of the Shadowlands’ best interest) are only doing their jobs. They don’t fit the role of a player character Imo.
We are only there to fix the Shadowlands. Once that task is completed we are all buggering off from it because we don’t belong there.
But who knows? Maybe they will make them playable and I guess I would be ok with it despite my very strong opinions.
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In all fairness, the developers have gone on record saying gameplay and canon lore are divorced from each other, our specific characters are not canon, but mere stand-ins (Instances like Ysera’s Temple of Elune nightmare demonstrate this fact rather handily).
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Talia had lines in the main story… she was not present when Bolvar arrived nor anyone else. She and Calia just show up.
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I was talking about the unimportant characters. I really should have cleared that up.
My bad.
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My personal head canon for why there’s a random fruit vendor in Oribos is that Cro Threadstrong finally succeeded in killing the Fruit Vendor…
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I hope they would add these races in conjunction with eliminating the faction divide.
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All of your ideas I found neat except for the Venthyr gargoyle ability. Seems too much of a knock-off of DH meta as you mentioned and sounds like they’d have to make it somewhat weak as to not be unfair. I’m not entirely sure how I’d make it so it’s not a copy of meta form. If that were the case I’d probably want Worgens to have the ability to use their claws as a racial attack. Maybe having the ability to summon one to fight for you would make more sense, like a 3-minute cooldown similar to the mechagnome racial where you spawn a duplicate. Spawn in a gargoyle companion to fight with you for like 12 seconds or something. Or just a simple vampire-themed spell. Maybe a 2 minute CD where you bite someone and the bite heals you for like 20% of your maximum health. Kind of like Gift of the Nauruu. Although as some stated here it seems people don’t exactly want Covenant races. I wouldn’t mind getting the races myself, but I understand why others would not be in favor.
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Yeh what about all those mounts you get from the shadowlands that only exist in the shadowlands like the gladiator mount or the maw mount or the other creature mounts. None of which existed ever outside of the shadowlands so why are they allowed to leave and stay in the land of the living forever. But these 4 covenant races can’t Theres too many flaws in this whole ‘these 4 races cannot leave the SL’ lore. Too many things happening to disprove this and the only thing not allowing them to leave is because they’re just told they’re not allowed to leave by their superior. I don’t see anything saying they cannot leave for any other reason.
If these races found an exit would they leave, or just stay for their duty, what if they had a choice.
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With all the races on Azeroth we currently can not play, it would not make any sense for people who have already died to shirk their duty and become murder hobos on Azeroth. If this is allowed I want Dwarf demon hunters and Pandaren druids. Both make more sense than playable Kyrians.
And no more elves of any kind.
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