If you won’t run a level 60 instance without a Petri flask, maybe you should move to a normal server, it might be more your speed. Ultimately the entire point of playing HC is around the risk that you can die for any reason and have to start over, not playing without a safety net, seems to violate the concept of what HC is .
Personally I would love petri flasks to be nerfed or removed. As for anyone running around in raid gear, its somewhat meaningless as I know that most people didn’t really get it while really risking death, so its more a symbol that your a petri flask user, not really that you skilled and pulled off flawless raids. That said its not really an exploit.
You’re level 10 on a normal server, calm down. HC is about the leveling experience until petri is removed, you would know that if you left your safe space server.
Not playing with a community that actively abuses an exploit to preserve my level 60 until the exploit is removed is more hardcore than you will ever be. I will just level more characters to 60 to bide my time until blizzard smartens up and disables the soy.
I have had multiple 60s I have leveled without dying, using the add-on prior to the HC server, with no appeals, and never really found any of the dungeons risky at all, raids on the other hand do have real risks. Do people actually waste/use petri flasks in dungeons? Kind of a sad state if they do.
As for getting to 60 on the actual HC server, I haven’t been super motivated and have been slacking I will admit as I am just enjoying leveling, and have zero desire to raid especially with petri flasks in the game, and only really plan to do dungeons end game. Currently have several in the high 30’s, part of this is due to switching from Skull Rock as I saw its demise way to late and unfortunately losing a couple high level characters to my own stupidity and bad luck.
lol, but yeah it sounds like you agree with me? Why would I risk my 60 in a community of players that abuses an exploit to cheat death? Why would I risk several days invested for some bot that believes it’s okay to mentally slack because they have a petri flask to bail out with? I either use petri as a when in rome thing, or disengage from the end game because of the state of the community.
I’m motivated because the leveling experience is really fun for me, but I’m not motivated to engage in end game on any level after 50 because of the way the community is.
./signed petri needs to go, also it ruins the end game reward for completing bosses and raids.
Hopefully it’s fixed in Self Found…
At 60 you can trade so the economy opens at that point and we need everything we can to combat these bots because blizz isn’t actively looking for them and relies on reporting.
With self found, based on it being a setting which simply blocks trading and mail, there should still be no trading or mail at 60, unless you disable self found which is how it should be.
has blizzard made a statement about the petri exploit? be one thing if they officially exclaimed it wasn’t an exploit but they haven’t said anything have they? If they openly call it a clever use of game mechanics, it is what it is and can’t be helped.
Multiboxing used to be a lot more op and people had to call out the problem to make it how it is today. This dialogue is important, but it is also important for blizzard to make official statements. classic HC is the premier game mode and the only one that will actually make this game last forever. I’d like to see blizzard taking it more seriously regardless of where they stand on this issue.
At this point I do not think Blizzard counts it as an exploit, as it is technically working as intended. I do think that it violates the idea of HC however and would personally like it removed. I suspect that the HC community would need to provide feedback in someway to get any changes made to it or simply having it removed from the game. Outside of threads like this though, I am not sure how the feedback can be best be provided, or what percentage of the HC players who are sticking around now that HC is no longer FOTM would like it removed versus those who feel its a valuable tool.
I do not believe they ever intended it to be used along with the removed from instance feature. Normal gameplay wiping is fine and petri wasn’t created for people to be hearthed out of a dungeon or raid group that would have cleared the content easily after resurrections.
Blizzard has to say something either way. It’s fine for petri on its own to exist, it’s not fine for it to be paired with the auto instance removal mechanic in hardcore. It was never ever used for that reason in the past because death was inconsequential.
Doesn’t matter what percentage of players think it is acceptable, the majority are okay with cheating as long as blizzard enables them. What matters is where blizzard stands on the issue and I think this is a significant enough one for them to be required to make an official statement. Simply being passive or turning a blind eye is not okay and just makes the game feel invalid.
I mean you can 100% be certain petrificafion flask wasn’t designed with the drop group feature in mind…because it didn’t exist in Classic. That wasn’t until mid-way through Wrath that it was added. I remember a few dungeons/raids where people would be kicked and just “not leave the instance” and there was nothing anyone could do to get them to leave.
I’d be real curious to fact check this one. I’m almost 100% certain raids never kicked you because you are locked to your own ID (and that still holds true for mythic in retail AFAIK), but I can’t be sure of dungeons.
Edited - you were talking about the group drop feature being dropped later, not the petri flask.
Either way, what’s done is done and the flask is here. The question is can we get it changed, as I think there is evidence that it’s being used in a way that is not consistent with how HC should be, which Blizzard said they would look at and indicated they were open to future changes.
There are viable options for keeping the flask useful with minor changes, but where it could be changed so it can’t be used in the current manner, honestly changing it down to 10 seconds like the paladin bubble would be enough, and add functionality to allow it to drastically reduce threat.
Petri on its own is fine, maybe they should petrify your group status when you use it. Then it can be used as intended like if I were to pull threat off tank in a huge pull from being overly eager to aoe in a situation where I’d get one shot and didn’t have any other defensives up.
The only problem is petri + leave group as we’ve established.
I can easily demonstrate why it is a huge problem too. It enables griefing. I can be a tank, pull too much intentionally, bring combat to the team, leave group > petri > get removed. Nobody can blame me, if they die it’s their fault for not having a petri above 50.
No I am saying like you’d have a guy that was AFK in your group so you’d kick them to replace with someone else. However back in the day that person would not be teleported out of the dungeon and the replacement couldn’t come inside until that person was gone.
My point was petrification flask was a feature of Vanilla WoW
Dungeon Teleport out (or ghetto hearth as some call it) wasn’t until Wrath
When Classic re-launched in 2019 it was one of the features they back-ported into Classic
So if we were talking about from a gameplay design standpoint then Petrification flask wasn’t designed with dungeon teleport in-mind as that feature didn’t exist until years later.
petri exploit is so obviously not an intended mechanic, please stop insulting our intelligence by suggesting otherwise just get rid of it already. it’ll make HC raiding exciting again.
I look forward to seeing how you move the goalposts.
I mean Blizzard knew this is how it was going to get used so it doesn’t seem like a valid reason for them to reverse. IMO the most logical step is someday when new HC realms launch there are new rules and that could involve a petri redesign.
Yes, I understood your point. My point was I’m not sure I believe that dungeons didn’t have the auto kick feature until WoTLK, but I’m not sure if there’s a good way to verify that.
