That I’m listening to someone that’s clearly never done Torghast as survival refer to something as “not insurmountable” when it is, in fact, going to be insurmountable on a great number of runs due to RNG alone.
"You shouldn’t pop cheetah just to reposition, that’s wasting the CD, cheetah is for covering a lot of ground quickly. "
I’m not sure you realize the distance needed to cover to get out of the swirl is often going to be larger when you’re melee, nor am I sure you realize when disengage registers you as being in your landing position; a little bit of latency can easily result in a disengage not being far enough when you’re using it to clear the entire radius of the swirl, rather than simply skirting out of the edge of it.
The problem is you’re making a lot of absolutist statements, “shoulds” and “shouldn’ts” about a form of content that has an extreme amount of RNG built into it. It’s pretentious.
I’d pay to watch you try third floor on a survival hunter at your item level, for the record. This is, again, not me complaining about my spec being hard; it’s me laughing at the weird brand of confidence people gain when they’re playing the path of least resistance.
I did it solo. Save your ice trap for pet revives itll hold him once. If your pet dies again throw a tar trap. Pop turtle shell and revive. Also sometimes you get screwed on powers as they are random ,may take a few tries
Edit : saw this was from a survival never played it so disregard
I said that waiting out the SrS DoT and Freeze Trapping the boss wasn’t insurmountable, for the record. You also have the option to simply not use SrS if you know you will need to trap - yeah you will do a bit less damage and take longer to kill it, but the reliability of the Freezing Trap for landing the rez should more than make up for that.
As for clearing the swirly with Disengage, Posthaste exists, I suggest you try it. There are also a number of other movement options available, like racials (including Rocket Jump), Soulshape, Door of Shadows (better for getting distance for the rez than for avoiding the swirlies), and survivability options to let you eat some of the damage and keep going, like Fleshcraft, Steward Phials, Healing Pots/Healthstones, or the potions you can buy from the broker right before the boss.
“Should” is not an absolutist statement by any means. “Should” means “Probably this will work”. I’m not being pretentious, at all, I’m merely suggesting what worked for me in a thread where people complained that they were having a hard time and asked for help.
And again, literally nobody in this thread mentioned Survival until you brought it up out of nowhere in an effort to show everybody how big the chip on your shoulder is. Take the advice, don’t take the advice, I don’t care, but there is no reason for you to come in here and be a jerk to people just because you can’t make their method work for you in your preferred spec.
Find your own method and post it here to benefit others in the community, be content only clearing Layer 2, or re-run it and hope you get the melee boss or better anima RNG.
Good luck to you on your runs, I hope you find something that works.
I noticed… Actually I said I did as MM because MM pets are squisher than BM pets, so yeah, that’s the l2p issue.
And having a dot? Honestly? Just plan ahead and stop refreshing the dot when you know you’r pet is going to die. It’s not like you need to use the flowchart damage rotation everytime. The whole point of Thorghast is being a mini mage tower, where you actually need to be clever.
There’s that saccharine smugness I’m talking about, lol.
I’m not concerned with my own runs. I’m a pvper, my legendary trait isn’t accessible for several weeks anyway (it comes from the vault), I have no reason to be in a hurry on this.
and I’m saying that’s an absolutist statement, because sometimes it simply will be insurmountable. Other times it won’t be. This is not scripted content to the same degree that most pve is.
You think a survival hunter doesn’t know about and run posthaste?
The utter SMUGNESS!
We all play the same game, and anyone coming to these forums most likely knows what abilities there are in the game. I’m not sure why you think this is new or useful information.
There is no chip on my shoulder. I responded to one guy who made a dismissive comment about l2p to someone else, and you stepped in the line of fire to defend him from my comment.
I was being a jerk to a guy being a jerk, and you responded to me for doing so and attempted to give me a “lesson” in return; a lesson that isn’t needed, because I’m well aware of the upsides and downsides of each spec.
There is no smugness here. I gain nothing from you having a bad time. I want the class to do well and for people to have fun playing it, and since MSV is a part of that, I want MSV to be able to work well for people also. I don’t know SV well enough to make strategies to help people, so I hope that somebody does and posts them on the forum.
Let’s calm a sec. Adreaver has always been the good helpful sort. A positive contributer here. Deserves better then all that…
Lots of good advice in this thread. It’s do-able, with the right power ups even easy. Follow some tips here and I think the OP is gravy on the train for this.
Clefthoofs are awesome but not the only way. I did them as BM with a Corehound, OP is BM and has a Corehound. Almost the same iLvL. Bit different on talents but no worries…
take that into consideration, then, when you’re trying to school a survival hunter on the existence of posthaste? Or do you genuinely think that’s not a smug comment either?
start fight, mend mend mend, then exhil, if pet dies drop freeze trap run rez and repeat. move in a circle around the platform keeping boss at range. be ready to trap and fd if it falls apart. takes a while but can be done.
Aside from the recent bashing posts, this thread was very helpful to me. Thanks for those offering up suggestions! Dropping animal companion and using clefthoof are game changers. There are still a couple bosses (looking at you, Patrician Cromwell) that are still incredibly difficult even with a pet that can tank due to their mechanics. If you run across one and can’t beat it, just try again until you get a boss you can beat.
Anima powers is really the difference maker as everyone has already pointed out. I cleared both layer 3s first go but one was drastically easier then the other just because I got a the 100% crit chance and damage on stun. Literally melted the boss in 20 seconds I just loaded all my big damage into the six second window. The other layer I didn’t have much boost from powers so it was a struggle and I died 3 times but after timing all my cds perfectly and using literally everything in my kit I won the fight. You just got to use your kit and anima powers effectively.
L2play issue lol. I said I beat it. I stated that being locked behind anima powers and core hound is a dumb thing. Didn’t say I didnt complete the level 3s. I said the pet died a ton on the runs that lasted a while due to bad anima. Good anima takes 1 minute at most to kill the boss bad anima takes like 4 minutes to kill the boss. It also matters which boss you get. The caster boss completely ignores ur pet even with feign death up. and casts through walls at times it seems. That’s not l2play it’s stating that pets are way to squishy less ur using a leech pet or a core hound. People not using those are going to struggle especially with bad anima rng. Did I complete it yes. I’m also 2.4 and got elite hunter as #9 on United States roster last season. But very cool to tell me l2play for stating an obvious problem that blizz is pet locking content again.