They’re CCable, but serpent sting ticking through traps as survival just ends up breaking it.
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I did just fine as BM. I haven’t focused heavily on defensive traits, but the MD 90% reduction is a solid pickup and the traps reducing damage by 25% is good too. The mawrat health increase is great if you get it early since it does work on your pet and I’m using a tenacity one.
I have largely just focused on damage traits though.
Stop his shadow attacks and stay at stair and block LoS by calling the pet off when you have used all your interrupts. Keep heals up and pop CDs.
Heal him as you’re fighting. I leveled two hunters and never lost my pet to open world battles. Always room for improvement. 
good tips. I’m using Core Hound and Animal Companion. I’ll switch to Clefthoof and Killer Instinct. Hopefully that will work.
cycle between your interrupt and your intimidation as much as possible, try to stop them casts coming threw. use mend pet on cd even if you don’t think you need it.
i personally haven’t had any of these issues, but just make sure you are using all the tools you have available, and it could come down to that run just offering subpar powers
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Did the final layer3 today as MM with pet tank. The upper reaches I actually found the final boss easier than the soul forge. Soul forge boss killed my pet like 2x.
As mentioned higher up, you can ice trap the boss, and that made a huge difference, in being able to heal, revive pet, and reset CDS, letting me get the kill in the first try.
Also got lucky with the % dmg reduction from trapped enemies anima.
edit- using a boar for tenacity and it’s fairly good. not much trouble on bigger pulls even with double elite mobs
Seems like a l2p issue. I did all of Thorgast as MM with Ji-Kun as my pet for the Bloodlust/Leech. We definitely aren’t “forced” to use Clefthoof to clear solo content. Just keep healing the pet and work more on your CC.
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did you stop to notice the guy you’re talking to isn’t MM, or were you just in a hurry to say “l2p” like you’re not a low-status lookin’ dude yourself?
Here’s a hint: trapping to get a pet res off isn’t as viable of an option for the other two specs, because they have core dots. I know you’re probably feeling yourself on your new marks reroll, but try to consider that as a reroll you don’t actually know that much.
Master Marksman exists, as do a number of anima powers and trinkets that add DoTs.
You wait for the DoT to fall off, then trap and rez before reapplying. It isn’t hard.
Harder for SV as SrS has the longest base duration, but not insurmountable.
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The condescension of people who think something is reliable because it’s doable on paper never gets old, lmao.
Some specs simply have an easier time of it than others. It’s neither surmountable or insurmountable; it varies drastically by the individual case.
Suspend your desire to be condescending, your status isn’t elevated by it.
Uh…
Ok bud.
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Yeah, and? I’m speaking down to you because you’re assuming dot-based specs having a harder time with “just trap it bro” during a very short window of time before you get killed while also trying to res a pet is simply a l2p issue and not an example of one spec simply having an easier time of it.
I’m confident that anyone saying l2p this early on, without regard to the reality of the situation, is simply trying to posture.
Go click your double tap.
Look at my earlier posts in this thread. I acknowledged that the caster bosses are difficult, that I personally struggled until I found something that worked, and then I detailed what I did to win (which didn’t involve freezing trap, for the record).
You want to come in here and brush off a suggestion as “too difficult” that’s on you. I’ll be over here playing the game and pushing the hardest content I can given RL demands, which means Torghast for the most part as it’s a solo activity and I have small children.
And I’ll likely be doing it without the benefit of raid gear beyond what I can get from the occasional pug.
Further, you weren’t condescending to me, you were condescending to the guy before me, then in your very next post called me out for being condescending.
Also check my talents, I don’t run Double Tap. I’m not some FotM reroller, I’ve been MM for 15 years.
It’s not about “too difficult” its about “unrealistic” and nowhere have I said that it’s “too difficult”, all I’ve said is to effectively stay in your lane if you’ve only done it as marks. You’re not in a position to be lampooning superiority over the other two specs for it. There are dozens of variables in play here between gear, anima, and even latency that you should be considering relevant before you posit this as a hierarchy of skill.
We’re all perfectly aware that it’s easier for a marks hunter. If you’re in the situation where your pet just got bodied through back to back mend pets, and you’ve already been forced to burn exhilaration, there’s not gonna be a lot you can do to recover that as a survival hunter for example. The RNG gap in Torghast is far higher than any skill gaps that would or could exist this early in the content.
It absolutely is condescending to assume that someone is simply making errors rather than having bad luck and playing a spec that has a harder time of it than yours, especially this early into the content. You can get the smug satisfaction of telling people to “learn to play” in a months time when it’s not common for a solid portion of the specs in the game to struggle with the third floor.
I’m condescending to people who are, themselves, condescending. It’s not that hard to process. Don’t be smug if you don’t wanna get deflated.
I haven’t once said L2P in this thread.
Whatever your issue with me is, it exists entirely in your own head.
My assumption was that these boss fights require novel strategies that people haven’t had time to work out yet, which is why I provided a detailed rundown of the strategy I used.
What part of this was condescending?
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You clutched your pearls at me telling off the guy who made the l2p comment, it’s hardly all that different.
“Well, Marks has the option to have dots that make trapping an unviable strategy too! That means it’s exactly comparable!”
Your “strategy” isn’t as valuable as you think it is to a survival hunter. In case you haven’t thought it through, it’s significantly less likely for a melee to have their mobility cooldowns up at a moment’s notice against a boss that, for example, drops big swirlies on the ground. Simply side-stepping out of it is a lot less likely to be a valid strategy when you’re in melee range.
I doubt anyone needed the input of a marks hunter to verify that it’s not literally impossible when they figuratively referred to it as so. Most people don’t use language all that literally.
I didn’t “clutch my pearls” I corrected bad information. All Hunter specs have DoTs. All Hunter specs have access to additional DoTs via Anima Powers. Complaining that the trap strategy won’t work because DoTs is not a productive way to go about this discussion, the point should be helping figure out what they can do differently to increase their success chance against these tough bosses. Unless of course you are just here to whine about things being hard.
OP, who I was responding to in my first post BTW, is BM. My advice stands.
There is no “bad information”, this is just bad faith. Trying to pretend anyone is playing marks in Torghast as a dot spec is an obscene reach.
The other guy said something to the effect of “lol, just trap it, I trapped and pet ressed 5 times”
To say something like that is to patently demonstrate you have no idea how the other two specs function in practice (not in theory, like this pretense of “well, marks CAN have dots if I choose dumb anima powers!”)
If your response to the other specs having a more difficult time with it is to the effect of “psh, I found it pretty easy myself as a marks hunter”, consider why it is that you feel it necessary to share that information; does there seem to be a shortage of people aware that marks has an easier go of it?
Let me water it down for you;
“Harder for SV as SrS has the longest base duration, but not insurmountable.”
This is patently wrong. Some pulls it simply will be insurmountable, and you’re gonna have to wipe and try again. That’s the nature of something so heavily influenced by RNG. To say it’s never insurmountable within a given pull is dismissive posturing.
I’m not “whining about things being hard”, I like the difficulty of Torghast and I love survival. I’m here telling marks hunters to stop telling people to “lol just trap it” when they’re apparently clueless of the fact that there are sometimes not enough seconds, mathematically, to wait out the debuff to pull that off.
What is a valid strategy for one spec is not inherently valid for another, and watching one spec backpat each other about how easy it was while giving bad or tonedeaf advice about how to pull it off on other specs is boring.
I’d rather read someone vent about it than read a marks hunter tell a dot spec to just wait out the dots and trap against an NPC that can kill you in less time than it takes to cast a pet res.
I had one lucky run where I got the “misdirection reduces pet damage taken by X%” or whatever 4-5 times. It’d be highly pretentious of me to just tell people to wait for the stars to align in such a way for their own runs, and that’s effectively what your “strategy” is doing from the perspective of a surv hunter; “just get a pull where you aren’t forced to use exhil, cheetah, or disengage before an arbitrary point”
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I didn’t say it was easy. I acknowledged that it was difficult and posted what worked for me.
I didn’t tell a DoT spec to wait out their DoTs and then trap. I told a BM Hunter to run like hell with movement CDs and rez outside max range. When you cried about how SV can’t do the trap strategy (which wasn’t my strategy, for the record) because DoTs and MM needs to stop talking, I corrected you that MM does in fact have DoTs as well, and the same strategy applies across all three specs, even while acknowledging it is more difficult for SV to pull this off.
And for the record, Disengage CD is only 20s. You can use it to move out of swirlies and still probably have it up when you need to get distance from the boss. You shouldn’t pop cheetah just to reposition, that’s wasting the CD, cheetah is for covering a lot of ground quickly. I didn’t mention Exhilaration at all, it wasn’t part of the strategy I used to get the rez, I used it to prevent needing a rez by bring my near-dead pet back to full.
And again for the record, you are literally the only person in this entire thread to mention SV.
What the hell is your issue?