Personal Loot Abuse

[Tewa-hyjal (Tewa)]

I’m merely pointing out that “But he said this is why, and that must be true” is erroneous, since we have no reason to believe his statements.

[Rindoria-thaurissan]

And if anyone tells them not to put their entire faith in one person, it’s “evoking emotional arguments”. I can’t even.

[Vladikov-eonar]

Maybe your trash attitude towards new guildies is why they end up leaving.

[Zàkirt-dawnbringer]

@Rindoria-thaurissan

Do you read what you write or does it just come to you haphazardly?

@Tewa-hyjal

They’re lying.

@Rindoria-thaurissan

Congratulations on finally calling out your illusion.

@Rindoria-thaurissan

I’d expect you to comprehend since your opinions seem to be outdated.

@Rindoria-thaurissan

Your opinion on how guilds work is depraved at best.

@Tewa-hyjal

I don’t even think they disliked master looter.

I just think they hate people who did like it.

Honey where have you been? This is all pure emotion.
Also, if i were triggered i wouldn’t have been responding like it were a discussion. That’s an interesting, and telling, vernacular though.

@Rindoria-thaurissan

If what others say sound insulting to you but you believe everything you say should sound reasonable to others, you’re probably triggered and need to rethink your argument structures.

I really don’t disagree with non-pug Master loot, and wish you and Tewa luck with it. You really should rethink your arguments, though. They’re kind of emotional and they need to just be direct and unmoving if you want to sway what Blizzard considers a done deal.

[Josephkony-sargeras]

Yeah WTF these filthy vermin came to kill the boss and got loot from it before we could take it from them. Disgusting. What a bad system for those people as well.

[Tewa-hyjal (Tewa)]

@Zàkirt-dawnbringer

Honey where have you been?

Reading raider-hater threads on general discussion for, oh, the last 8 years or so.

[Rindoria-thaurissan]

You’re being stubborn about refusing to acknowledge that you made a mistake in believing and trying to lead others to believe that a system was removed for viable reasons.
So really, who’s being the emotional one here?

You’ll probably keep saying it’s me so I’m gonna do you a solid here and leave you to your delusions. <hugs

[Arcinon-stormrage (Arcinon)]

An issue so serious that the OP has to post as a level 20…ok then…i do admire the length of the post just to troll.

[Sarama-firetree]

@Gornzul-silvermoon

not sure what the problem is.

The problem is, they wouldn’t have been brought to the raid in the first place if they had been honest about their intentions to bounce after they got their piece.

[Waidmann-gilneas (Waidmann)]

@Tewa-hyjal

Do a thorough check on their history, that means armory stalking them and going through their logs and wow-progress history.

So this especially their wow progress history. See if they have a habit of guild hopping. If they do then use that to consider if that is a person you want for your raid team .

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

Sounds like your problem is less with personal loot as it is with you not finding raiders who are willing to do progression. So they help you farm the bosses you can and once you hit that wall, they move on.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

So, this weird thread has yet to show any abuses done by Personal Loot.

[Vicktoria-area-52 (Vicktoria)]

But it’s their loot. It’s no different than pugging a few empty spots and them getting gear.

May it’s a retention issue that has nothing to do with loot.

Also, did they leave because someone in the raid was asking for their loot?

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Esimpure-whitemane

@Xyrtran-medivh

so OP wants to get gear for his inner circle but not as a team.

PL promotes personal progression over team progression. Every Mythic guild runs RC Loot Council, which is basically the way to make it ML without having ML - just with some wasted loot. Asking for ML back makes it more easy logistically and results in less wasted loot.

For some reason, the same people against ML are the ones that don’t ever want to trade their PL, and yet they claim those in favour of ML are the greedy ones.

I’m 99% sure ML removal was for the heroic/few boss mythic masses where the abuse was and the CE style guilds that ran it well were collateral damage.

[Galassin-stormrage]

I love all these comments about your judgement and how these people earned their loot. Yes they earned their loot. You are misunderstanding the point. There are crap people in this world and in the game. This is a good argument point to side with ML.

Again, the issue lies with people, not with you. Sux this is happening to you.

[Annastasi-proudmoore]

@Pepino-caelestrasz

I’m saying if we have 19 people, and need one person we don’t cancel the Friggen raid

We do.

@Pepino-caelestrasz

we PuG the spot.

never.

[Lillanne-stormrage]

I think I get what you’re trying to say. You’re perfectly fine with every single person getting loot, but that it would be nice if they would stay with the raid team, am I correct? I wouldn’t really call it loot abuse, but it’s definitely kind of scummy to join a team under the pretense of staying with said team, only to scoot as soon as you get the piece you want. Sounds like you would be OK with someone coming along for one specific piece of loot, as long as they mentioned that in the first place.

[Vicktoria-area-52 (Vicktoria)]

Oh are you saying they leave the guild after they gear up or are leaving that one raid lockout.

If that later, that sucks but not much can be done for pug spots.

When my old guild would have to pug it was a lot of folks leaving after the bosses they wanted. I don’t see any way to prevent it.

We did have a pool of players we would invite that we’re not in our guild from time to time. That was kinda helpful and ppl generally stayed til we were done.

We also had other guilds we had relationships with we would pool from each other that way to.

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Occultatum-barthilas

People are losing sight of the problem.

It’s the INTENT people have of joining a guild as a ‘trial’ knowing they can’t be denied loot with ZERO intention of remaining. We don’t want to deny them intentionally, we never had plans to deny them intentionally. Stop trying to create a false narrative to fit your agenda.

So people come raid with you, get to know you, and leave. Sounds like a you problem. Maybe be friendlier? Are you treating those people like friends or are you treating them like interlopers you tolerate to get loot?

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Briella-eonar

Could that individual have obtained that item without the benefit of the other let’s say 19 people?

Could the group have obtained that item without the benefit of the other let’s say 19 individuals? There is no hive mind.