Ninja looting was much more abused than personal loot…
I have been duped out of so much gear because of this…
only thing I can recommend is run smaller groups…2 tanks 2 heals and 6 dps is usually enough for heroic content. That way you don’t need to bring in more people.
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It’s a trip, isn’t it? Been doing it since I was 17. Wasn’t always good at it, but now I’m 30 and old, and I’m better than I was. I’m also raid leader, and coach for my arena boys and girls. My plate is quite full.
That’s a side topic though.
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The only fact I see here tbh is that you believe that Blizzard acted on facts and data when they decided to remove the system despite so many incidences of people in guilds not abusing the ML.
It’s not so much as people are twisting it as is the original post doesn’t demonstrate personal loot abuse.
The example you’ve provided is that currently you’re experiencing players that join and leave when they have got the weapons/gear that they have wanted, with your group having carried them.
I do have sympathy for your situation but it’s got nothing to do with the way personal loot works. It’s just that you’re getting crappy people (which could equally occur even if ML existed).
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How many incidents of people getting effed over by ML do you think it takes to justify removing ML?
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I’d take it over some random on the forums from 2018 who apparently didn’t play in the ML environment, yeah.
You sound like a gem, but my husband is 30 and you are not old.
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My girlfriend keeps telling me this. She’s 22. And I’m like: “Nah, I’m old.” She always hits me with the: “I WILL STRANGLE YOU!” lol
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Nah, not old.
if you’re old I’m ancient at 40.
/cries
Simple compromise would be to allow master loot as a guild only feature. Heck,just to minimize the risk of someone getting “screwed” out of loot,make aotc a guild achievement that unlocks it.
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Husband is 54.
he’s not old either. I don’t think you officially hit “old” til you’re 70 imo.
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I don’t need to play in a ML environment to understand that the people I’ve met in guilds I’ve been in are not the type of people who would abuse such a system. I do understand the problems that are caused by forcing PL on such people though, which again, is not something I’d expect you to comprehend since your opinions seem to be outdated.
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To at least some degree, the people acting smug and putting down the OP seem to see organized raiding - and perhaps, by extension, raiding guilds, as the enemy. A good number of guilds had reasonable loot standards set for their guilds, and these same people pointed out the relatively smaller number of guilds abusing master looter and kicked and fought screaming about how master looter was unfair, until they convinced the devs to remove it.
Every time a thread pops up about master looter, there’s always someone that talks about how master looter led to unfair loot distribution, and how it’s so much better and fairer now that master looter is gone and personal loot is forced. They pat each other on the back and boost each other up, but the moment anyone points out any flaw with personal loot, they start attacking the person that pointed it out and try to laugh at them and mock them until they go away and stop bringing up perfectly valid points.
And these same people continue to push the idea that it’s the invisible, nameless, “countless” guilds that’re the rude, unreasonable, and unacceptable ones. They can’t see that they’re being just as bad… or maybe they do, and they’re just trying to shift blame. I don’t quite care if I get flamed for believing that situations like the OP’s are perfectly valid frustrations with forced personal loot, the only thing anyone does by attacking and mocking me or others that have an opposing viewpoint is showcase how unreasonable and hostile they are.
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I guess it’s subjective!
I feel like I’ll be old by the time I’m in my 30s. But hopefully by then have a good payment down on my apartment.
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My favorite is when I suggest I should be able to trade anything I well want to, people complaining it’ll be abused.
You could just say no. Any consequences should tell you whether or not you should find a different guild that shares your values.
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I mean… I remember seeing your posts from like… I think WoD once in a while? You seem well put together. According to the husband 30s are when you suddenly get like random knee things but still. I have a similar dialogue with him. 
Does anyone remember Guilds with “Ninja Council” reputations? I do. Because i played a decade under ML primarily as a pugger.
Case with you dismissed.
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Anything can be abused. Chat can be moreso abused than the master looter loot setting could… but you don’t see these people demanding chat be removed from the game. Because it’s unreasonable… just like their single-minded focus on keeping master looter out of the game is.
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See, I personally don’t care if they add master loot back, I just think these people have stockholm syndrome.
This is really the best summary of why I made this post. It’s almost less about the problem and more about the nature of how people act in dismissing people’s legitimate gripes. So many that you described are completely oblivious, disrespectful, lacking empathy or anything of the sorts simply because they themselves are satisfied. As far as they’re concerned, everyone else can have problems but it’s okay because they’re taken care of.
This is the middle man needed, I think.
If a guild group is working together to down something, there should be no trading restrictions whatsoever. Similarly, if someone feels abused, or pigeonholed by their guild into giving something up, then they must also take personal responsibility, say no, and bail.
If I join a guild, right? And they do something I disagree with. It is up to me to leave. And that’s okay.
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There’s no downside to adding master looter back, because everyone is more than capable of avoiding guilds that use it. The forcing of personal loot has just led to situations like what the OP is going through - Where people join a guild solely for a specific item or two, and then ditch the moment they get those items. It makes the people that threw a tantrum about master looter and demanded forced personal loot look bad, so those same people will just try and shift blame and mock and verbally abuse people until they stop bringing it up.
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